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« Reply #30 on: February 28, 2007, 05:44:31 PM »
Read any New England state constitution for any clarification needed of the second amendment intent. Most of them are more clearly written and of course in the same time period.

If you're actually interested in the truth, that is...otherwise don't bother.

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« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2007, 07:09:07 PM »
VOR, can you give me a linky please.  I googled it but not finding the right articles.
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« Reply #32 on: February 28, 2007, 07:35:35 PM »
Vermont
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Here are some examples I pulled up with Google. I entered the search string [state name] state constitution.

Many states have a common and often verbatim blurb:
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That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State--and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.


Key words: themselves AND the State. How things have changed.

I haven't read them all, but Ironically the red states have more restrictive legislation in their constitutions than the blue states do in what I have read so far.
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« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2007, 07:39:45 PM »
Thanks.  :aok
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« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2007, 07:41:03 PM »
Sure.

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« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2007, 07:53:43 PM »
Oh my, how far have we strayed...:(
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2007, 08:36:00 AM »
The way it is supposed to work is that if the government does something.. imposes some law that is unconstitutional or simply totally repugnant to the body of the people...

If the people refuse to obey it and the government uses the standing army to enforce it (troops, national guard etc.) then the PEOPLE, being armed, would be able to overthrow said tyrant.

It would of course take a very large infringement as we are a lazy and cowardly lot but.. eventualy..  they will piss enough people off.

At that point.. the debate over if an "assault weapon" is a good bambi killer or not will seem pretty insane.

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« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2007, 09:21:40 AM »
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Oh my, how far have we strayed...:(


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« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2007, 10:25:54 AM »
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The way it is supposed to work is that if the government does something.. imposes some law that is unconstitutional or simply totally repugnant to the body of the people...

If the people refuse to obey it and the government uses the standing army to enforce it (troops, national guard etc.) then the PEOPLE, being armed, would be able to overthrow said tyrant.

It would of course take a very large infringement as we are a lazy and cowardly lot but.. eventualy..  they will piss enough people off.

At that point.. the debate over if an "assault weapon" is a good bambi killer or not will seem pretty insane.

lazs



Sadly though by the time we lose something like Freedom of speech a right I am sure everyone agrees is important enough(well almost everyone), the second will be gone or neutered so it won't help.

To bad the anti gun people of this nation won't see it untell its to late.

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« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2007, 01:00:04 PM »
How many of you own guns as a means to defend you and yours against the Government &/or to participate in it's overthrow?

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« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2007, 01:26:01 PM »
Me.
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« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2007, 01:41:45 PM »
Hap, if push comes to shove then every American who owns a firearm will and that's what the government fears.
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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2007, 01:41:52 PM »
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How many of you own guns as a means to defend you and yours against the Government &/or to participate in it's overthrow?


I own guns because it's my birthright as an American. It has been for over 200 years. I own guns because I like to shoot, and because I respect history. It also helps me keep in touch with my former military service, which represented a notable period of my life. That, in fact, prompted me to purchase my first firearm to complement the .22s I grew up with from age seven.

At the core, though, gun ownership represents that I still have individual rights as an American and the means to at least give pause to those who would ignore my rights out of self interest, whether that be a criminal intent on rape robbery or murder, or an angry mob or the government.

Frankly, though, it is obvious that over the years a great many fellow citizens have decide that being well kept subjects is more important than being a free American, with all the messiness that freedom can bring with it. You don't just see it on the 2nd --  the 4th and 5th have been gradually eviscerated by the Republicans while the Democrats chop away at the 2nd (and I bet the senior republican leadership is no true friend of the 2nd at the end of the day).  In fact, we may just get to see Bush Lite sign that AWB, like he said he would if one were placed on his desk. Meanwhile, as long as American Idol comes on at it's regularly scheduled time there is no outrage. "As long as you have nothing to hide... Think of the Children... Praise the lord and pass the remote control." The 1st is more strongly defended, given it's the core of the mainstream media, but the "think of the children" attacks are already underway there.

The elites who are on the other side of our widening class war, who want illegals as cheap labor for their corporate benefactors and who sell out our manufacturing base to near slave labor in 3rd world countries -- elites both conservative and liberal (lets not forget the plethora of limousine liberals) -- no doubt feel a bit uneasy with the idea of Joe laid off factory worker and his thousands of peers having access to firearms at the foot of their secure, gated communities.

Just how likely is a worst case scenario? Personally I think we'll go out with a whimper rather than a bang. Effectively, and in our own name and with full knowledge and majority approval, giving away rights that will likley never return. But...

What would happen if the terrorists really scored one with a nuke? What governement would come out of that? How long would the martial law last? What new "patriot" act would be passed? How long would elections be suspended? Personally, I think that one is up in the air.

We've recently seen the New Orleans police confiscate guns from legal owners in their own homes at a time when the government wasn't able to protect them. We've see legislators call laws meant to prevent that from happening in the future "insanity." So no, I don't think we're "past all that."

I own guns for a lot of purposes, and many of those are higher on the day-to-day list of personal priorities than arming the bunker for Revolution II. But, I do have a fundamental respect for the 2nd, and the rest of the BOR for that matter, that is both deep and serious.

Charon
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« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2007, 02:22:04 PM »
hap... I believe that charon and others have answered your question very we3ll..

For me.. I own guns because of the enjoyment they give me and because I feel that I need to take my fate in my own hands..  that I need to protect myself from all forms of tyranny be it foreign or domestic..  another government or a burglar or a mugger or my own government gone insane.

I also own em because people like you don't have the guts or the morals to.

What is your understanding of what the second means?

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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2007, 02:56:09 PM »
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I own guns because it's my birthright as an American. It has been for over 200 years. I own guns because I like to shoot, and because I respect history. It also helps me keep in touch with my former military service, which represented a notable period of my life. That, in fact, prompted me to purchase my first firearm to complement the .22s I grew up with from age seven.

At the core, though, gun ownership represents that I still have individual rights as an American and the means to at least give pause to those who would ignore my rights out of self interest, whether that be a criminal intent on rape robbery or murder, or an angry mob or the government.

Frankly, though, it is obvious that over the years a great many fellow citizens have decide that being well kept subjects is more important than being a free American, with all the messiness that freedom can bring with it. You don't just see it on the 2nd --  the 4th and 5th have been gradually eviscerated by the Republicans while the Democrats chop away at the 2nd (and I bet the senior republican leadership is no true friend of the 2nd at the end of the day).  In fact, we may just get to see Bush Lite sign that AWB, like he said he would if one were placed on his desk. Meanwhile, as long as American Idol comes on at it's regularly scheduled time there is no outrage. "As long as you have nothing to hide... Think of the Children... Praise the lord and pass the remote control." The 1st is more strongly defended, given it's the core of the mainstream media, but the "think of the children" attacks are already underway there.

The elites who are on the other side of our widening class war, who want illegals as cheap labor for their corporate benefactors and who sell out our manufacturing base to near slave labor in 3rd world countries -- elites both liberal and conservative (lets not forget the plethora of limousine liberals) -- no doubt feel a bit uneasy with the idea of Joe laid off factory worker and his thousands of peers having access to firearms at the foot of their secure, gated communities.

Just how likely is a worst case scenario? Personally I think we'll go out with a whimper rather than a bang. Effectively, and in our own name and with full knowledge and majority approval, giving away rights that will likley never return. But...

What would happen if the terrorists really scored one with a nuke? What governement would come out of that? How long would the martial law last? What new "patriot" act would be passed? How long would elections be suspended? Personally, I think that one is up in the air.

We've recently seen the New Orleans police confiscate guns from legal owners in their own homes at a time when the government wasn't able to protect them. We've see legislators call laws meant to prevent that from happening in the future "insanity." So no, I don't think we're "past all that."

I own guns for a lot of purposes, and many of those are higher on the day-to-day list of personal priorities than arming the bunker for Revolution II. But, I do have a fundamental respect for the 2nd, and the rest of the BOR for that matter, that is both deep and serious.

Charon



Well said as always Charon.


It sad how smug those "subjects" can be about how right they are about the rights they don't care about.