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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2007, 10:19:58 AM »
:aok Neil, thanks.

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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2007, 06:06:32 PM »
Thanks Neil, you gents are providing priceless data.

From the FM-2 test:


This clearly shows that the current supercharger mapping for our FM-2 is incorrect.

My regards,

Widewing
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My regards,

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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2007, 05:12:04 AM »
U de Man Neil, thanks.

Have already notified the mossie fraternity.

... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2007, 11:03:42 AM »
holy moly!
Mosquito VI doing 354 mph on the deck with external DT!



Mosquito VI - twice the spitfire, four times the ENY.

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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2007, 11:09:46 AM »
Our mosquito VI does only 14 lbs boost on the deck (vs. 18 and 25 in the tests) . Is that a result of the exhaust dampeners modeled or is it simply a lower boost setting?
Mosquito VI - twice the spitfire, four times the ENY.

Click!>> "So, you want to fly the wooden wonder" - <<click!
the almost incomplete and not entirely inaccurate guide to the AH Mosquito.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGOWswdzGQs

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« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2007, 01:54:09 PM »
The dampers just add drag, they don't reduce boost. Ours just has an early boost modeled.

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« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2007, 01:58:29 PM »
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The dampers just add drag, they don't reduce boost. Ours just has an early boost modeled.


Umm they do hinder exhausts flow, which can  hinder intake flow .
Just like any engine.

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« Reply #8 on: March 01, 2007, 02:41:53 PM »
I don't think they'd do that to the point of reducing the boost pressure. The shrouds just covered up the exhausts, with air inlets in front and outlets behind. Not quite restrictive, just "hidden".

I think our mossie (like our spit9) just has low boost modeled, for whatever reasons HTC chose.

Edit: just my guess
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2007, 05:44:23 AM »
It's less the exhaust guards as the saxophone exhausts beneath them.

Saxophone exhausts had two stubs at the front of a longer vessel, thusly:



They produced a good deal less exhaust thrust than stub ejectors, as well as (so I recall HoHun saying) producing some backpressure on the engine.

I may be taking HoHun's name in the case of the latter statement, apologies if so.

The saxophone exhausts took around 15 mph off speed, the drop tanks a further 5 mph (going from memory on the tanks).

The two key quotes from Neil's site (in terms of the Mossie) are:

"It will be seen that at constant boost the effect on true air speed of fitting the multi stub exhaust system is a gain of 15 mph in MS supercharger gear and 13 mph in FS supercharger, "

and

"Comparison of results @ +18 lb/sq.in. boost with those of Mosquito VI HJ.679, indicate that the speed of that aircraft is of the order of 10-15 mph below average, thus supporting the conclusion made in the 7th part of report No. A. & A.E.E./767,e, that HJ.679 was not fully representative of the type. "

Sadly, HJ679 is the aircraft which AH appears to model.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2007, 05:52:34 AM by Scherf »
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2007, 10:24:29 AM »
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Thank you for posting this.

This much more than  Just a shroud with a hole at each end.

This set up is a tuners nightmare.
While the front half of the engine would get good exhaust scavenging the rear would not, due to back pressure.

At any given setting, I'd bet if one half is running at an optimal air/fuel mix.
The other half is either lean or rich.

Any information if they experienced spark plug problems on mossies fitted with this pipe?

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2007, 10:33:17 AM »
I don't know about spark plug problems due to saxaphone exhausts, but those Mosquito's that did use +25lbs boost had multi ejector exhausts as the saxaphone exhausts burnt out.  This document from the Austailian archive (DH data) shows the sort of performance obtained when using +25lbs boost and multi ejector exhausts.  http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mosquito/mosquito-performance-aussie.pdf

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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2007, 10:50:11 AM »
I can understand why. As a hobby I play with older cars and mess with engine building and tuning. One of the biggest no-nos in tuning is sharp turns in an exhaust system, especially a header .


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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2007, 02:52:33 PM »
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Originally posted by Bronk
Thank you for posting this.

This much more than  Just a shroud with a hole at each end.

This set up is a tuners nightmare.
While the front half of the engine would get good exhaust scavenging the rear would not, due to back pressure.

At any given setting, I'd bet if one half is running at an optimal air/fuel mix.
The other half is either lean or rich.

Any information if they experienced spark plug problems on mossies fitted with this pipe?

Bronk


Hiya:

Sorry, I've no information about spark plug performance, other than to say that on long patrols at cruising speed, it was recommended that the engines be given a burst of power every 30 minutes or so to clear the plugs. I believe this was the case regardless of the exhaust type fitted.
... missions were to be met by the commitment of alerted swarms of fighters, composed of Me 109's and Fw 190's, that were strategically based to protect industrial installations. The inferior capabilities of these fighters against the Mosquitoes made this a hopeless and uneconomical effort. 1.JD KTB

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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2007, 03:07:33 PM »
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Hiya:

Sorry, I've no information about spark plug performance, other than to say that on long patrols at cruising speed, it was recommended that the engines be given a burst of power every 30 minutes or so to clear the plugs. I believe this was the case regardless of the exhaust type fitted.



Interesting, were  they concerned with all or just some of the plugs loading up?



Bronk
« Last Edit: March 02, 2007, 03:16:40 PM by Bronk »
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