Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Careful there. Jacka1 has claimed that rainforests add carbon to the atmosphere because they're rotting.

We will never have to worry about more vegetation , trees , etc. again.
You never followed through with the Ancient Egyptian recruitment plan.

[Angus]

You have to learn how to read. I perfectly recall the Egyptian quote. It's about what they are doing today. Venting the nile all over the place and growing plants on what used to be a desert.
You see, Egyptians still exist today.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
You have to learn how to read. I perfectly recall the Egyptian quote. It's about what they are doing today. Venting the nile all over the place and growing plants on what used to be a desert.
You see, Egyptians still exist today.

You don`t recall too clearly. I put you in charge of recruiting a few million Ancient Eygptians willing to die of disease and slavery . You didn`t follow through.
As far as the present day goes, aren`t you afraid of them destroying the ecosystem of the desert?

[Angus]

Where are you trying to pull this thread?
The Egyptian program, AFAIK, is the largest program in the world in it's field, - i.e. irrigation/turning desert into a system of food-producing fields.
As for the deserts, they have only a warming effect, practically no contribution for carbon binding, they're dry, there's plenty of them, and plenty more....on Mars

[McFarland]

Plants will grow in a cool temperate climate better than they will in a tropical one, as there is no rest period in a tropical one, and the seasons are wet and dry, not cold and hot. Most plants don't live very well in a hot climate.  Global warming isn't good. It causes stronger, more frequent storms, more desert areas, and higher sea levels. In other words, less arible land. And thus food shortages.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by McFarland
Plants will grow in a cool temperate climate better than they will in a tropical one, as there is no rest period in a tropical one, and the seasons are wet and dry, not cold and hot. Most plants don't live very well in a hot climate.  Global warming isn't good. It causes stronger, more frequent storms, more desert areas, and higher sea levels. In other words, less arible land. And thus food shortages.

A naturalist in the Amazon Rainforest collects specimins for her study of the poor growing conditions...

[McFarland]

Yes, plants that are adapted to grow there. Cut down the trees, plow it, and plant crops there, and the top soil erodes away very quickly, and doesn't support plants very well. Leave the other plants there, and the crops are smothered out. Not many food plants can be grown very well there.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by McFarland
Yes, plants that are adapted to grow there.

You said plants don't grow there very well, now you say that some plants don't grow there very well.

Cut down the trees, plow it, and plant crops there, and the top soil erodes away very quickly, and doesn't support plants very well.

Kind of like the Oklahoma dust bowl huh?

Leave the other plants there, and the crops are smothered out.

That's why we don't need to spray pesticides and herbicides in our temperate farming practices.

Not many food plants can be grown very well there.

If you're not  counting pineapples, bananas, mangos, coconuts, papayas, cassava, watermelon, yams, sweet corn, onions, lettuce, peppers, sweet potatoes, rice, sugar cane, millet, sorghum, and peanuts, among many others.

[McFarland]

watermelon, yams, sweet corn, onions, lettuce, peppers, sweet potatoes

Which have to be grown in open areas, and only corn, peppers, yams, and potatoes keep for very long times. And if you cut down the rainforest to make an open area, the top soil washes away and you don't have very good soil in one or two years. So it's not worth it.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by McFarland
Plants will grow in a cool temperate climate better than they will in a tropical one, as there is no rest period in a tropical one, and the seasons are wet and dry, not cold and hot. Most plants don't live very well in a hot climate.  Global warming isn't good. It causes stronger, more frequent storms, more desert areas, and higher sea levels. In other words, less arible land. And thus food shortages.

 

where did you mention rainforest?  Much of the tropics is not rainforest...

Originally posted by McFarland
Which have to be grown in open areas, and only corn, peppers, yams, and potatoes keep for very long times. And if you cut down the rainforest to make an open area, the top soil washes away and you don't have very good soil in one or two years. So it's not worth it.

ahh there is where you mentioned rainforest...  

tsk tsk tsk...no fair changing your argument

[Angus]

LOL, here comes a word from the farmer.
Plants grow better in warmer climate, and it's almost on a logarythmic scale...untill the peak is reached, and after that the road goes down into zero very quickly.
Warm is better than cold, hot is no better than warm.
Hot hot has almost nothing between a forest and a desert. If you loose the soil, you also loose the water. And BTW, what's teasing them in S-America is that they burn down the rainforest, cultivate the rich soil, and basically milk it dry, typically by planting coffee for so and so many years, then when the soil is becoming too poor for it it goes to pasture, and eventually ends up as a prarie. Welcome to the world of cheaper beef and coffee. Beef at prices I can't beat at least.
As for what Retro said:
"No, because once enough ethanol had been produced, the ethanol plant itself would run on ethanol! "

hehe, very true.

Funny, somehow I can feel some people resisting the concept of "growing" energy, while not feeling safe or informed enough to directly oppose it.

[McFarland]

Well, in your picture you show a rainforest, and say "plenty of plants", but the problem is where there isn't rainforest, there is either desert or infertile ground. So, I mentioned rainforest.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by McFarland
Well, in your picture you show a rainforest, and say "plenty of plants", but the problem is where there isn't rainforest, there is either desert or infertile ground. So, I mentioned rainforest.

I said "Plenty of plants"?  where did I say that?

Here is a picture of tropical fertile ground that is niether desert nor rainforest.



It must be frustrating to be as consistantly wrong as you seem to be.

[Angus]

May I point out that there is ample water there.
That is sometimes the problem.....

[Jackal1]

I notice you bypassed the question.