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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #480 on: August 14, 2007, 10:05:36 AM »
moray.. now I am a little confused so far as your beliefs go..

You say that you have never espoused co2 as being the main problem but then go on to say that c02 will cause 3-5 degrees of temperature rise and that will release methane and so.... we need to.. to what?

so.. I ask you..  do you believe that mans contribution to the overall co2 in the atmosphere will warm the planet by as much as 5 degrees over and above all natural causes?   and if so...

how soon?

do you also believe that cutting our worldwide contribution... mostly in civilized countries..  by 30% of our tiny little co2 contribution.. that it will make a difference and if so....

how much?

Do you agree with me and the scientists that jimbear linked that focus on co2 is wasting valuable money and resources that could be used for other things?

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« Reply #481 on: August 14, 2007, 10:15:14 AM »
beetle... er... ah... "ocean"....

The time is not right for alternative fuels on a massive scale... if it were it would be happening right now.

It will be right soon but it needs to come without force and clumsy government intervention.

I will admit that the greenies have bullied the government into making it very difficult for us here to have clean efficient nuke power.

I would like to see the government tell em to screw off but... with so many women democrats in power now... I hold little hope for that.

I see only weepy algore junkscience based on auras and pleas to save the children and feel good crapola... same old same same from the democrats and environmentalists whack jobs.

I see some alcohol in our gas in the future.. maybe 10%.. good for me... more hp.. bad for poor people who want to eat but... not my problem.  gas will cost more and so will food but...

coal will get used.. more and more ways are being invented... solar will supplement our basic home needs..

I see a time in the near future when everyone will have a power bill of about 10% of what it is now...  I see people in electric runabouts that they can charge for little or nothing to do errands in.

I don't see any of this tho if the women democrats (and you) get their way... I see big government ham fisted meddling and forced focus on what may or may not work with carpetbaggers making zillions off worthless government contracts.

The future looks bright so long as we can keep the bloated government out of it.

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« Reply #482 on: August 14, 2007, 10:20:15 AM »
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Time for a post that will not be read (page 20 no less)
This article is by a Scientist that I am sure is known as a whacko with no credentials at all.
Best of all it is really an enjoyable read

http://www.edge.org/documents/archive/edge219.html#dysonf



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« Reply #483 on: August 14, 2007, 10:49:14 AM »
"beetle... er... ah... "ocean"....

The time is not right for alternative fuels on a massive scale... if it were it would be happening right now.

It will be right soon but it needs to come without force and clumsy government intervention."

Why is the time not right to begin?
As for government intervention, may I point out that WW2 started as a WORLD war with the government interventions of Britain and France...
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« Reply #484 on: August 14, 2007, 11:09:14 AM »
angus..  it is beginning... do you think that no research and development is being done?   Look at all the things people are coming up with.   Did government invent the flourecent bulb that we are now using?

Did govenment invent biofuels or the engines that run on it?

Look around you man.    New uses for coal...  hybrids and hydrogen.. solar panels on peoples roofs powering their homes... a myriad of things.

All because of market demand... millions of people working to find a solution and... to get frigging rich and powerful.

and.. what does war have to do with it?   I have always said that the role of government is to raise an army for the defense of it's people.  It is what here are founded on.

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« Reply #485 on: August 14, 2007, 05:00:32 PM »
Research is such, that we are mostly running our engines with the science of the 40's.
At the introduction of multi-valve in cars engines and turbos in tractors on the common market, I had to laugh hard, for this was tested and manufactured to death already inWW2. No new invention. But since economy did not demand it (that is, as well, OIL economy), it was not so much needed.
Remember the 70's oil price jump, - suddenly jap cars hat used very little fuel were the biggest in increase.
It's the money. And the money you burn while driving is oil money.
The bosses of oil money are not so many, and they don't like changes that could make their money less just like that.
There are many little inventions somewhere, which all could lower fossile fuel burns . Somehow they lag a little.
There are also alternative energy sources....same story.
While there are indeed many possibilities of both alternative energy and energy saving, they both lack the power as a whole of a big big oil tycoon as well as while the oil price is lower, they are in the lower end of competition.
So, oil power is going to keep them as far down as possible, - it is a conflict that will end...where?
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« Reply #486 on: August 14, 2007, 05:07:16 PM »
Oh, BTW, inventions don't usually come from governments.
Governments do administration. Legalization. Support. Humane stuff. Policing. And sometimes support. Projects. Things like landing on the moon even! Tied up with that is the invention.
Invention, - from a brilliant mind, which very often is a scientist. And many times they work or got started, or educated, by the government. Even supported in their research.
Governments were not the inventors. Just manipulators, but the effect is quite some
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« Reply #487 on: August 14, 2007, 08:54:15 PM »
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"Arctic Ocean Getting Warm; Seals Vanish and Icebergs Melt."

The .....article, obtained by Inside the Beltway, goes on to mention "great masses of ice have now been replaced by moraines of earth and stones," and "at many points well-known glaciers have entirely disappeared.".....

Washington Post article...well this pretty much convinces me.....oh wait, forgot to check the date:1922:rofl

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« Reply #488 on: August 15, 2007, 03:51:41 AM »
I am afraid that the gritty reality is actually that the N-Pole will be gone (in summertimes) in some 40 years with the same process.
There will be driftice of course, since the Greenland glacier for instance will keep dumping huge blocks into the sea, - but this is how it looks, and the development is not measured with the 1920's equipment.
So funny...
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« Reply #489 on: August 15, 2007, 06:40:15 AM »
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I am afraid that the gritty reality is actually that the N-Pole will be gone (in summertimes) in some 40 years with the same process.
 


Bore Oda will be mighty peeved if that happens. :)
The pole won`t be going anywhere.
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« Reply #490 on: August 15, 2007, 07:37:37 AM »
Oh, how witty.
The N-Pole ICE it should have been. So no reason to send subs to look under it (BTW, wasn't it the USS-Nautilius who first crossed there?).
No Ice, easy go, and the Russians are going to have to fight the Danish about the whole affair. Greenland you see.....
BTW, while the axis pole is not moving now, the magnetic one actually is.
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« Reply #491 on: August 15, 2007, 07:31:54 PM »
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No Ice, easy go, and the Russians are going to have to fight the Danish about the whole affair. Greenland you see.....
 


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« Reply #492 on: August 16, 2007, 03:31:27 AM »
Hehe, as well. But the magnetic pole is heading for Boroda :D
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« Reply #493 on: August 16, 2007, 05:13:07 AM »
Just like to say that today was the hottest recorded temperature in Japan, beating the previous record from 1933. Tomorrow is supposed to be hotter. That's all.

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« Reply #494 on: August 16, 2007, 05:38:07 AM »
That proves it...  Anthropogenic Global Warming is real.
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