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Offline Angus

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« Reply #495 on: August 16, 2007, 06:35:30 AM »
I think they're breaking records in Greece and Italy as well.
Just had some Italian Tourists. They said it was unbearable. 40 celcius all over. But that's...Italy.
They come to me in the cool 20 of Iceland, and I make business :t
However, some 20 years ago, it would have been 10 on celcius this time of year, and much more comfortable in Italy.
I and my heirs will make profit from warming untill we are under water. But what do I care, I'll be dead.
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« Reply #496 on: August 17, 2007, 01:13:15 AM »
Ooops. Looks like the Arctic ice melt models might need to be looked at. According to a report I saw last night on TV, the Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology and Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency said the amount of Arctic ice during this years August melt is so small, it's equal to the projections for 2050 or so.

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« Reply #497 on: August 17, 2007, 09:36:51 AM »
so what are they finding in the south pole?   It is 90% of all the ice in the world.

that would be....  90%.   as in... everything really.

It is getting thicker... warmer temps for the rest of the planet will increase the ice because snow will be added.

meanwhile...  in the US here.. we are enjoying great summers and mild winters with satalite data... you know.. real data.. showing no change for the last 20 years.

Hopefully.. the trend will continue a bit before it goes back to the ice age.  If man made pollution got us out of the ice age then we need to congradulate ourselves for a job well done.

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« Reply #498 on: August 17, 2007, 04:37:15 PM »
Never fear.....help is on the way.
This is why they can draw all the conclusions, make all the graphs, predictions, etc. to their hearts content and they still don`t mean beans in the scheme of things. Too many things that can`t be predicted long term and are not factored in.
Mother nature has a mind of her own and does not really dig scientists. :)
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" Alaska volcano is poised to erupt

By JAMES HALPIN, Associated Press Writer Thu Aug 16, 8:53 PM ET

ANCHORAGE, Alaska - One of Alaska's most active volcanoes could be working toward a massive eruption that could affect air travel but was not expected to threaten any of the towns in the area, scientists said Thursday.
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Satellite images of Pavlof Volcano taken Thursday showed strong thermal readings, consistent with what the Alaska Volcano Observatory is calling a "vigorous eruption of lava" at the volcano about 590 miles southwest of Anchorage on the Alaska Peninsula.

The volcano is below the path of hundreds of daily international flight paths, and an explosive eruption could interrupt those operations, said Steve McNutt, a volcano seismologist with the observatory. Volcanic ash can enter an engine and make it seize up, he said.

The Federal Aviation Administration sent advisories to airlines that might be operating in the area and is monitoring the situation, said spokesman Allen Kenitzer. If there is a severe eruption, flights would have to be diverted, possibly resulting in delays, he said.

McNutt said seismic activity is high at the 8,262-foot volcano, with about one tremor recorded every minute. Lahars — mudslides caused when lava melts snow on the peak — have triggered some seismic activity, as well, he said.

The mudslides took place on the southeast side of the volcano, an area he said is inhabited by few, if any, people. Pavlof is about nine miles from Pavlof Bay, a popular fishing ground, but at the moment it isn't posing an immediate threat, McNutt said.

He said hazards the volcano could present included light ash fall on nearby communities, mud flows, lava flows and hot debris avalanching on the volcano's flanks.

Several small towns are in the area, including King Cove, which is about 35 miles to the southwest with a population of roughly 800, and Cold Bay, nearly 40 miles southwest with a population of about 90. But they're too far to be affected by lava, and McNutt said an eruption probably would coat the towns with no more than a 2- or 3-millimeter-thick blanket of ash.

Josh Gould, co-owner of King Cove grocer John Gould & Sons Co. Inc., said people in town were preparing for the worst while hoping for the best. Sales of basic staples are up, he said, but there's no danger of running out of products like water, bread and milk.

He said that an ash plume was visible from town, but that none was falling on it yet.

Seismic activity was first picked up at the volcano Tuesday. Eyewitnesses aboard a fishing boat in the area Wednesday reported glowing lava on the volcano's southeast flank. Pilots have reported a weak plume of ash drifting 5 miles to the southwest and likely below 20,000 feet.

"What we think we're in for is several months of low-level eruptions punctuated by a few large and explosive events," McNutt said.

Pavlof, which has had about 40 eruptions since record keeping began in the area in the 1760s, is among the most closely monitored volcanoes in the state, with permanent monitoring equipment installed nearby.

Its last eruption was in 1996; that 11-year span is the longest Pavlof has gone without an event, McNutt said. A string of eruptions took place during the 1970s and 1980s.

A series of ash explosions and lava eruptions took place for several months after the last eruption. Ash clouds reached as high as 30,000 feet at the time. During a 1986 eruption, Pavlof spewed ash as high as 49,000 feet."
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« Reply #499 on: August 18, 2007, 01:45:07 PM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
so what are they finding in the south pole?   It is 90% of all the ice in the world.

that would be....  90%.   as in... everything really.

It is getting thicker... warmer temps for the rest of the planet will increase the ice because snow will be added.

meanwhile...  in the US here.. we are enjoying great summers and mild winters with satalite data... you know.. real data.. showing no change for the last 20 years.

Hopefully.. the trend will continue a bit before it goes back to the ice age.  If man made pollution got us out of the ice age then we need to congradulate ourselves for a job well done.

lazs



The news from the S-Pole are...chillingly not so chilling....
I.E. Quite a lot of Ice breaking off.

Since the S-Pole ice is mostly on dry land, and the mass is very much indeed, there are 2 things to consider.
1. Changes happen slowr than on N-Pole.
2. Changes have a lot more effect.

So, in short, the N-Pole will tell you sooner and a lot clearer what is happening. Since it has been there for some 20 million years, and suddenly melts away, well, what does that say?
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #500 on: August 18, 2007, 01:50:51 PM »
Time is the root of all our problems. Without it nothing would heat up and melt. Some say time is but an illusion created from our linear nature and persepctive, therefore it must be man made. Ban time and all will be well. You heard it here first.
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« Reply #501 on: August 19, 2007, 02:00:22 PM »
Well, a record-speed melting Polar cap is a thing with quite some gravity. No illusion at all.
Not like the illution of the people that hotly debated that one some year ago on this board.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #502 on: August 19, 2007, 10:56:13 PM »
A shorter trade route through the north is good, yes? That's a definite positive. The negative is purely speculative. We're gonna wait and see what happens on this global warming thing no matter how many alarms are sounded short of an imminent calamity without concrete evidence, or so I believe.
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« Reply #503 on: August 20, 2007, 03:52:58 AM »
Polar trade route is good yes. Melting bogs tied up in the Siberian permafrost is however bad.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #504 on: August 20, 2007, 09:05:18 AM »
well..   I would say that both sides will get a compromise.

there is a lot less hysteria about it nowdays... some money will be wasted on carbon bs here and there... the politicians will make a show of it while looking at the polls that all say people aren't willing to spend any real money on the whole thing.

progress will be slowed a little... some marginal scientists will get worthless grants... some of us may feel a little pinch when some minor restrictions on the things we use happen.

In the end... a few years from now... people will realize that..

It isn't getting hotter...  not much anyway... it may even be getting fractionally cooler..  the suns activity may continue to slow and then we can all worry about "man made global cooling"

once this crop of dummy citizens forgets about the whole man made global warming scare that is.

there is no new con under the sun.. we just dredge up old ones and play em to a new audience of gullible marks.

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« Last Edit: August 21, 2007, 12:19:25 PM by wrag »
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« Reply #506 on: August 21, 2007, 12:20:26 PM »
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That comment comes from Reid Bryson, founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin, who said the temperature of the earth is increasing, but that it's got nothing to do with what man is doing.


Bryson is obviously an Exxon stooge, prostituting himself for Carbon dollars. He and anyone else who does not toe the party line.
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« Reply #507 on: August 21, 2007, 12:20:35 PM »
It's oil company propaganda.

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« Reply #508 on: August 21, 2007, 04:35:26 PM »
Gosh! What a surprise.  Lazs and the rest of us evil Global Warming Deniers sure never saw this one coming.:rolleyes:

How much more before the public get's the picture?
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« Reply #509 on: August 21, 2007, 07:53:07 PM »
So, if my memory serves correctly, Lazs post that started global warming debate was along the lines of: Weak Hurricane Season, global warming must not be real. Well, let's see, Cat. 5 hurricane? Powerfull hurricanes that used to occur not very often, now several in one decade...... nope, global warming is good, we need more powerfull hurricanes occuring more often, hotter summers, non-existant winters, drier, more frequent droughts, larger deserts, crazy weather patterns. At least according to Lazs and "his ilk". It will help grow more crops.