Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by C(Sea)Bass
You have to remeber too that the scientists who say manmade global warming is a fact are alot of the same guys who said man was destroying the ozone layer 10 years ago. Turned out the ozone layer is Growing and yes there is a hole in it...over antartica, which has been there for millions of years.
 

Is there no end to the stupidity that resides in the US...the world wonders.

Is it genetic? After all, we should of probably take into account just exactly who it was that left europe and went west. Hyper-religious morons and/or those who could not make it on their own in the old world. Kinda like Australia...we probably should not expect too much from the bottom of the gene-pool.

Or is it a result of the inability of the US school system? I honestly dont know.

Anyway...lad...before you just start talking without knowing f1ck all about the subject (like lasz), at least TRY to get an understanding of the topic. Here is a good place to start.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Is there no end to the stupidity that resides in the US

Not at the moment, but we are working on tightening up immigration.
You still have time to make the team.

After all, we should of probably take into account just exactly who it was that left europe and went west. Hyper-religious morons and/or those who could not make it on their own in the old world

 The oxymoron meters just red lined.

[Angus]

Originally posted by lazs2
the ice in your area is melting.. in the south pole it is getting thicker... something has changed... something always does.. it has always been this way.

Man has nothing to do with it.

lazs

Your opinion.
Enough warming will always eventually mean melting. It is tough to estimate how much Antarctica is melting vs gaining, but the temperature...The central and southern parts of the west coast of the Antarctic Peninsula have warmed by nearly 3°C. The cause is not known.

Antarctica and Greenland contain about 99% of landbound Ice on earth. And the better explored Greenland is melting at a very good speed.
look
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_glaciers_since_1850

But Antarctica won't go in a day. That's good, because it means that we humans have some time. Or do you really need to see it going before you belive it? Well you can start with Greenland, for it's quite visible there, and that is a big block of Ice. Enough to raise SL more than 7 metres. Thats more than 20feet.
And talking of cycles and age, it's been there for a very long time. Much much longer than any intelligent life, in fact it's older than the Ice age.

I don't go with the doomsday guys who predict a Venus atmosphere within some decades. Since we had no doomsday in the Jurassic period for instance. However that climate would pretty much suffice to wipe out mankind. Most of it.

[lazs2]

LOL... we get called stupid by people who can't even do math and whose only "proof" is wikie...

That is about it tho for hortlund... no proof sooo... everyone who doesn't agree with him is "stupid".

That would include more than half the scientists of the world who think that man  made co2 is not causing global warming... that would include even 3/4 who say that it will not cause a catastrophe.

The amount of scientists who are deserting hortlunds co2 hoax are legion... if they ever really believed it in the first place that is.   somehow.. I don't think they were as rigid and insipid as hortlund.

The jury is still out on the ozone and the "hole" it is certain that the hole was probly always there and is natural... it is certain that the amount of reduction in cfc's that we achieved could not have saved the planet.   It is also certain that cfc's are a real pollutant... unlike c02 which is benificial.

lazs

[lazs2]

Angus... if the temperature of the south pole increased (as you say) 3 degrees... it would still be below freezing.   nothing would melt.

lazs

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by lazs2
LOL... we get called stupid by people who can't even do math and whose only "proof" is wikie...

Just out of curiosity, what is your educational level lasz?

That is about it tho for hortlund... no proof sooo... everyone who doesn't agree with him is "stupid".

Nah, I dont call people who disagree with me stupid. I do call people like you and him stupid though. The reason for that is because you are clearly unable to understand the issue we are talking about, but instead of acknowledging that, you copy text and arguments from websites and pretend to know what you are talking about.

But I have had it with your dishonesty and your stupidity. From now on, I am not going to argue with your retarded statements without first having you present your sources.

That would include more than half the scientists of the world who think that man  made co2 is not causing global warming...

What is your source for this statement?

that would include even 3/4 who say that it will not cause a catastrophe.

What is your source for this statement?

The amount of scientists who are deserting hortlunds co2 hoax are legion...

What is your source for this statement?

if they ever really believed it in the first place that is.   somehow.. I don't think they were as rigid and insipid as hortlund.

I think you are just making **** up.

The jury is still out on the ozone and the "hole"

LOL this is so mindblowingly dumb. But ok, what is your source for that statement? What makes you think the jury is out on the ozone and the hole?

it is certain that the hole was probly always there and is natural...

What is your source for this statement?

it is certain that the amount of reduction in cfc's that we achieved could not have saved the planet.

What is your source for this statement?

  It is also certain that cfc's are a real pollutant... unlike c02 which is benificial.

Unless its too much...then co2 causes the global warming we are trying to prevent.

[AKIron]

How long will it take without the world ending before the GWA lose their steam and find some other new religion to support, 10 years? 30?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by AKIron
How long will it take without the world ending before the GWA lose their steam and find some other new religion to support, 10 years? 30?

How long would it take for you to get an education, 10 years? 30?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Hortlund
How long would it take for you to get an education, 10 years? 30?

Personal and petty attacks are not a sign of intelligence.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by AKIron
Personal and petty attacks are not a sign of intelligence.

What is your educational level anyway? Its a fair question since the topic we are discussing acutally requires some form of intelligence and education to understand.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Hortlund
What is your educational level anyway? Its a fair question since the topic we are discussing acutally requires some form of intelligence and education to understand.

I have about 120 hours of credit at various universities but only an associate degree in electronics. I have about 15 computer certifications from various software makers such as a Novell MCNE and Microsoft MCSE.

Now that I've satisfied your curiosity, what is your education? Specifically as related to climatology which you seem to claim expertise.

[AKIron]

Hortlund?

[AKIron]

I guess he figures I's too stupid to deserve a response. Perhaps he considers himself one of the elite educagentsia that should be doing all the thinking for the rest of us?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by AKIron
Now that I've satisfied your curiosity, what is your education?  

Masters of law.

[AKIron]

Originally posted by Hortlund
Masters of law.

Which means you are probably formally educated in climatology no more than me or lazs? How much science was required for your degree? My two year degree at least required a semester of physics and calculus.

Citing education as a requirement to have an "intelligent" discussion is less than intelligent imo. I've known plenty of well educated people that seemed to be of average or below intelligence and plenty of uneducated people that were very smart. Formal education does not even mean you are accurately informed on any specific subject.