Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[Angus]

And on the forkside, most tree huggers don't have a clue what's going on, and the green market is already a non-green one on a large scale.
well, - .5 Euros anyway

[Getback]

Getback - I have no idea what you just said. [/B][/QUOTE]

What I was saying is that I will bet no one agrees upon the definition of Middle Class, which is man created and comparing that to reaching any agreement on any part of global warming (If it exists). I just stated it in the skinny version earlier.

My gut feeling about the whole thing is that it's all a grab for power, just like the Healthcare issues. MHO

[lazs2]

instead of reducing their co2 6% form 1990...  Japan has increased it 8% or so..

canada 22%   all of the nations that signed onto the treaty have increased instead of decreased their co2...  they all claim economic success as the excuse.. implying that... if they were to go broke they could meet the kyoto protocol limits more easily...  

mister fork.... just like the silly co2 hoax... the green movement needs to go forward based on free market pressure and inovation... not some government clubbing.

as oil gets more expensive (we will never run out) new sources will be found..  they may or may not present their own problems.. only time will tell.

The problem the green and the socialist high priests of man made global warming have is.. not just their hypocracy and exaggeration but their message of doom...   doom doesn't play well..  no message of hope... of what a world that was what they wanted would be like.   just the hell it will be if we don't all start suffering right now...pronto!

lazs

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Mister Fork
Jackal1 - In the long run? Your children, your children s children, and so on.  Companies are psychopathic to begin with. So you have to:
a) hold them accountable for their environmental impacts
b) provide them incentives to clean up.  
 

So....you are going to provide them with incentives by taxing the crap out of them and making it harder and harder to turn a reasonable profit, all the while passing the cost burden down to the public??????
Yea right.

It costs a lot of money to do so and the last thing you want them doing is just to move shop to a country where there are no environmental laws (which a lot have already done).  

Exactly. If you start making it too tough and a pain in the backside to operate in this country, there are many, little two bit places around the globe that are on the verge of total starvation and collapse. They will welcome the large companies and industry and not give a rat`s behind how much pollution is produced. Still on the same earth........so you have just cut off your nose to spite your face. All over a ridiculous scam.

[Louis XVII]

Originally posted by Jackal1
All over a ridiculous scam.

Yeah. The Arctic Ice isn't really melting. Sea levels aren't really rising. Animal species aren't really becoming extinct because their natural habitat is now too overheated to support their life. It's all an illusion! And hey, it's not happening in teXas, and as long as gas is $2/gal, who cares!

[Angus]

Jacka1: of children:
"So....you are going to provide them with incentives by taxing the crap out of them and making it harder and harder to turn a reasonable profit, all the while passing the cost burden down to the public??????
Yea right.
"

If you have enough global warming, you won't have to worry about your descendants at all

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Louis XVII
Yeah. The Arctic Ice isn't really melting. Sea levels aren't really rising. Animal species aren't really becoming extinct because their natural habitat is now too overheated to support their life. It's all an illusion! And hey, it's not happening in teXas, and as long as gas is $2/gal, who cares!

Me thinks I smell a mouse here.
One more time around the park, eh?

[Angus]

That's perhaps because you're a P.....,,,,err,,, a cat

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
If you have enough global warming, you won't have to worry about your descendants at all

If the world collides with a giant asteroid the same is true.
Nuclear winter...same is true.
New iceage......same.
Invaded by Mothra and Godzilla....same is true.
....same is true.

[Angus]

Well, if your descendants die of global exploitations, it may partly be your fault. Not Godzilla.
And a new Iseage would not wipe us out, while Venuse's weather system most surely would.

[Jackal1]

The earth has been in a constant state of change and will continue to do so. That you can bank on.
I would rather more energy and thought be put into something that would actualy make a difference without fleecing the people in a scam.
Most people will not clean up their own garage or storage.
I am not into sending more and more companies and production to places that could give a rat`s bellybutton what you are spewing forth and then having to pay the price to get it back here. Ridiculous. It`s fantasy to believe otherwise.
Do what can be done NOW to make things better NOW and mother nature will take care of the rest.
Take for example...I am appalled at the condition The Hackney Marsh has been abused and polluted.  
When everyone gets their own backyard cleaned up, then come to me and discuss donning the shining armor and mounting the white horse to go forth and battle the dragons of the entire world.

[Angus]

The human race has existed as an advanced species for (milli?)seconds of the earth's time. Yet in our time, out impact on the globe is well visible. And measurable.
We are now seeing changes that are FAST. So fast, (as it has indeed been with many geographical features in "our" few years) that your great-grandkids will be able to see features never visible to mankind, - unless it turns and goes into cooling.
The earth has indeed been changing through it's 5000.000.000 years or whatever, and in an amount enough of time there will be no earth. But the last and upcoming 0.0000001% of that scale seem to be on a good stroll. We are seeing something up in the Northern Hemisphere, that AFAIK is unique for 20 MILLION years. In the meantime you see people debating it....

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
unless it turns and goes into cooling.

[Angus]

Yes, I know....that global temp is not stable and there are curves and swings and Iceages.......
But 20 millions of Ice history kissing goodbye in a century or two is a fast spike.

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by Angus
Yes, I know....that global temp is not stable and there are curves and swings and Iceages.......
But 20 millions of Ice history kissing goodbye in a century or two is a fast spike.

One of which man has no control enough to be significant. Good or bad.
As said the earth has always been in a constant state of change. Just because we consider ourself so important will not impress mother nature and her path.