Very powerful fighters without the dweeb moniker

[moot]

Because getting your socks off only works because of others watching.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by 1K3
Ki 61.  This clowncar has bags of tricks that you can't guess.

  Yep.   Just keep it a secret.

[Karnak]

I think a lot of you are missing the point.  I may have been off on the Bf109F-4, but all the fighters I listed are easy to use, almost as easy as things like the Spit XVI and N1K2-J.  I am no better than average now, yet can easily get kills in any of the fighters I mentioned.

When you talk about Fw190s, P-47s, P-40s and Ki-61s you are far off that path and into the birds that have a lot of potential if the pilot has the skill to use it, but are death traps for the new pilot.


Benny Moore,

Trust me, I am very well aware of what kind of flaps the P-38 has.  The Ki-84 has the same kind.  I was merely simplifying it into the effect it has in game as many readers won't know what the heck Fowler Flaps are.  Also the F4U doesn't have Fowler Flaps, yet also has uber-flaps in AH.

[Ball]

I would totally agree with 109F-4.  I think it is the best 109 by quite a margin.  Second being the 109G-2 if you are a close in fighting type of person.

[Knegel]

Hi,

i dont think this planes comes close to the Spit16, La7 and F4U-4 and specialy newbes will have bad problems in this planes vs planes like the HurriIIc, SpitV, FM-2 and A6M5, but you be right that this planes are still far more easy to fly than a FW190A8, Spit14, P47 or a 109G6.

In a 109F4 vs a Spit14 i feel like in a HurriII vs a FW190A8, the far more modern planes need much time to get into a advanced position and very fast they have the more nimble plane on the tail again.

Most of this planes need a pretty good hand for aiming and shooting, thats nothing for a newbe, specialy in AH, where the planes tend to wobble with the smalest stickinput.

Greetings,

Knegel

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by an englishman without any taste for beauty

C.205?

It is like a spit IX but uglier (so ugly in fact that the paint job looks like the last pilot puked over it in horror) and harder to see out of.

Karnak, I don't think you can say Ki84 flaps are so uber, because they have a big drawback when compared with the other planes: they extract only at very low speed, under 168 mph for the first notch!

[bozon]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
I'll add the Me-110 but only because I've seen some people, back when I flew regularly, OWN in this ride.  

The 110 is a gun package with a plane wrapped around it. It offers nothing special in terms of performance or handeling. The P38 owns it in every aspect except for firepower. Even our problematic mossie will give it a proper challange. You could get the same results by installing the 110 guns on a C47.

In AH guns rule, gunnery is easy, damage model favours heavy cannons and you can always feed of the scraps of others. This is why Hurri 2C is so successful inspite of being a terrible performer and same goes for the 110. If you want example of the opposite case, just look at the P51B.

Good guns will bring you more kills than performance. Gunnery is more important than ACM. These are the rules of the areana.

[Gianlupo]

Gunnery is more important than ACM.

I'd say ACM is nothing without gunnery. In fact, many times I've been killed because it took me too much time to bring down my target and I put myself in a bad position, allowing other enemies to get me. But don't let people think that the only think you have to do to have kills in MAs is to HO you, please, ACM is a more important thing to learn than HOing...

[Oleg]

Originally posted by Karnak
I think a lot of you are missing the point.  I may have been off on the Bf109F-4, but all the fighters I listed are easy to use, almost as easy as things like the Spit XVI and N1K2-J.  I am no better than average now, yet can easily get kills in any of the fighters I mentioned.

When you talk about Fw190s, P-47s, P-40s and Ki-61s you are far off that path and into the birds that have a lot of potential if the pilot has the skill to use it, but are death traps for the new pilot.

I think no one of planes you listed in first post are easy to use. They are all powerfull, but you need to know how to use their power.

Let say about F4U-1D, because i can fly it (more or less). It one of the best all-around fighter, i second you in this. But for noobs it heavy, slow accelerating, poor maneuvering plane with weak guns. It shines if you can use his flaps and throttle in right time and able to concentrate your fire. It come with experience which noobs dont have yet.

I wasnt noob when i choose Corsair, but i cursed anything i can before i become able to fly it properly.

[Hoarach]

While gunnery is a needy part in AH, ACM is more important.  Being able to out maneuver spits in a P38 means better ACM.  How will a p38 or p47 win against a la7 or spit 16 that will run them down?  By having better ACM and knowing what your plane can do.  Yea good gunnery helps but when you have large amount of rounds such as a p47 or p38 you can have bad aim.

Bozon...the P38 doesnt lack in firepower.  You can easily get 10 kills or more with the 20mm and the 4x50s.  Once that 20mm is out you still have about 1200-1400 rounds of the 50s left.  If you have decent aim you can easily get another 4 kills and possibly if lucky to get a lot zekes up against can get another 8-10.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by bozon
Gunnery is more important than ACM.

Completely disagree. If you can't bring your guns to bear, you can't shoot the enemy. A more skilled pilot will never allow you to bring your guns to bear. Thus, you will lose, even if you have the gunnery skills to neuter a  gnat at 700 yards.

My regards,

Widewing

[Ghosth]

Bf109F-4:
10 minutes of WEP and extremely sweet handling make this a wonderful brawling fighter with light firepower being the biggest drawback.

Awesome perk earner, not hard to fly, can be wicked in a furball. Secret to it is learning to hit with the german cannons. IE not as easy or as powerfull as the RAF Hispano's.

F4U-1/-1A/-1D:
Fast, decent climb, decent range, average firepower with great ballistics and oh, the flaps.  The F4U is simply one of the best fighters in AH.

Yes, the hawg is the king of the heap for now. Fly it like this while you can because I don't expect it to fly like this forever.


F6F-5:
Docile handling, average firepower with great ballistics, good ordnance hauling and tough as a brick.

Favorite Carrier ops plane. Has same loadout as the F4u, yet takeoffs & landings MUCH easier. Can move mud, vulch, and RTB with kills with just a little practise.

Ki-84-Ia:
Great acceleration, reasonably fast at AH combat altitudes, decent firepower, fast roll rate, insane WEP cycle and yet more uber-flaps.

Yes, but since the last FM change the 84 is handicaped.
Its flyable, and in the right hands its deadly. Just not sure it belongs in this list.

La-5FN:
It is an La-7 that is slightly slower, only has two cannon and none of the stigma.

My all time favorite fighter. It does everything but move mud.


P-38L:
The true jack-of-all-trades in AH.  There is nothing this fighter isn't at least good at, if not great at.  Oh, uber-flaps for the third time.

P-51B:
Like the La-5FN, this is much like its derided sister, yet carries no stigma.  The P-51B is fast and has the great high speed handling of the P-51, though slightly light on firepower.

Yak-9U:
Like the Bf109F-4, a great brawler that only lacks for firepower and fuel range.  No WEP to worry about. [/B][/QUOTE]

Most underflown plane in AH, yes it has a short clip. But it will teach you good habits. Has good guns if you get in CLOSE! And this plane is so nimble that its not hard to get in close. Its also fast, faster than the la5.

Keep it in the vertical and it will loop all day.
This is perhaps the single easiest plane for a new pilot to go out and get 2 kills with, and return alive. And that gentlemen, for a new pilot is HUGE.

Overall, good list & post Karnak  

[quintv]

I like the Yaks handling and views and such but I'm all about firepower and trigger time, so I don't fly it often at all.

[bozon]

Hoarach, I was comparing the 110 to 38. I didn't say 38 has bad firepower, in most cases the 4 nose fifties are as effective as a jug's 8. I said it was inferior to the 110 in that departement (and that alone).

Widewing, you are thinking of a duel in which case I totaly agree - I was talking about the areanas, where you are often killed by a plane other than the one you are fighting. Read the "feeding of scraps" remark.

[Benny Moore]

Originally posted by Karnak
Trust me, I am very well aware of what kind of flaps the P-38 has.  The Ki-84 has the same kind.  I was merely simplifying it into the effect it has in game as many readers won't know what the heck Fowler Flaps are.  Also the F4U doesn't have Fowler Flaps, yet also has uber-flaps in AH.

That's why I didn't mention the F4U.  Your implications is that "uberflappen" are incorrect, which I would agree with for the Corsair.  But they're fine on the P-38 and Ki-84.

And you're fooling yourself if you think just anybody can do well in a P-38.  It's not nearly as hard as a P-47 or FW-190, but it's nothing like a Spitfire Sixteen as you state.  P-38 is one of the last fighters I would recommend to a new pilot (unless he were as crazy about the 38 as I was when I was learning).  The same is true of half of your list.  None of those fighters do the work for you, nor do they offer anything like absolute superiority over the average fighter (except for the Ki-84, which is absolutely superior to the average fighter on the deck).