Author Topic: Very powerful fighters without the dweeb moniker (Read 2851 times)

Saxman · « **Reply #30 on:** March 06, 2007, 10:48:48 AM »

We had an EXTENSIVE discussion about the F4U's flaps not long ago. F4UDOA posted data that shows the Hog's flaps generate an INSANE amount of lift.

Power on, the Corsair's flaps generated nearly the same amount of lift (calculated by % reduction of stall speed) at only one or two notches as the P-51B received at FULL flaps.

No one really seemed to be able to answer WHY the F4U benefited from significantly greater lift with flaps deployed in comparison to other aircraft, (I still wonder if it was in any way connected with the gull wing design) but I think Widewing indicated that performance is EXACTLY how our Corsair is modeled. What's NOT modeled correctly is the Hog's wicked low-speed stall.

Krusty · « **Reply #31 on:** March 06, 2007, 11:34:25 AM »

Gianlupo, did you get sick on the side of your Macchi again??

Clean it up before somebody disrespects the lovely, beautiful aircraft that I adore!

Too late, he already did!

FYI Anybody that says the C2 is like any type of spitfire (I don't care WHICH spitfire) hasn't flown it enough to know better. Or doesn't push it hard enough. Its stall and wing dip are more like 109s and 190s. It breaks hard at high speeds, but you don't want to do sustained turns in it, or you're in very big trouble.

Lusche · « **Reply #32 on:** March 06, 2007, 12:13:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
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FYI Anybody that says the C2 is like any type of spitfire (I don't care WHICH spitfire) hasn't flown it enough to know better. Or doesn't push it hard enough. Its stall and wing dip are more like 109s and 190s. [/B]

I always treat the 205 as a kind of baby-D9 and fly it that way.

Kweassa · « **Reply #33 on:** March 06, 2007, 12:16:25 PM »

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Gunnery is more important than ACM.

It is.

Usually a lack of sufficient gunnery is what makes it necessary for a pilot to engage in a prolinged ACM contest. The longer the fight, the higher the danger.

If I'm not the usual cherrypicker...
If I had good gunnery, I wouldn't be flying the 109G. I'd be in the 109K.
If I had better gunnery, I wouldn't be in a 109K, I'd be in a 190D.
If I had the best gunnery, I wouldn't be in a 190D, I'd settle down with a 190A.

Gianlupo · « **Reply #34 on:** March 06, 2007, 12:52:13 PM »

Krusty, it wasn't me, it's that st**ky british!!! he puked his jacket potatoes on the plane!!!!

Again, about gunnery, please, don't say it's more important then ACM: the latter is the founding on which to build on, but, of course, it's useless if you cannot hit your target (in a very very brief time)... gunnery it's a skill that as to be nurtured along with ACM, but can't make up for the lack of latter.

Krusty · « **Reply #35 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:04:17 PM »

Of the two, I say gunnery is useless without ACM. That means all you'd do is HO, extend, turn, HO, extend. We see enough of this in the dweeby newbies.

You need a small amount of gunnery. Even BAD shots can still get kills. You just need to get in close. To do that requires more ACM than gunnery. If you get a shot and blow it, the way you get a SECOND shot is to reposition. To do that you need to know how to fly your aircraft.

So gunnery does nothing if you can't fly worth a crap.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #36 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:37:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Sketch
C205: Great climb, very nice ammo load-out, decent WEP, and handles very nicely and can take some punishment.

I agree on all but the punishment part. These little babys DO NOT take hits very well.

You forgot one of it's strengths though... SPEED.

Krusty · « **Reply #37 on:** March 06, 2007, 01:39:52 PM »

Its speed is rather slow. It's faster than a spit9, but not a 109G-2, it's slower than every US plane except the F4f or P40. Not a speed demon, but handles well in dives.

Oleg · « **Reply #38 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:20:42 PM »

Good gunnery can compensate lack of ACM.
Good ACM skill can compensate lack of gunnery.
Depending of situation either ACM or gunnery is preferable.

Bronk · « **Reply #39 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:27:28 PM »

poor acm + poor gunnery = ho tards They can't shoot or turn so HO is it.

poor acm + good gunnery = cherry picker Can't turn with you but will pick you with one good shot opportunity.

good acm + poor gunnery = furballer I can't hit anything beyond 200. If I fly this plane good enough to burn your E away. Then you cant get beyond 200.

Good gunnery + good acm = Levi bot. Self explanatory, he don't miss and he drags you into the slow fight.

Bronk

Masherbrum · « **Reply #40 on:** March 06, 2007, 02:40:46 PM »

But I can pee farther than any of you.

Amazing how some need to get into arguments over a subject NOT EVEN RELEVANT to the thread.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #41 on:** March 06, 2007, 03:11:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Its speed is rather slow. It's faster than a spit9, but not a 109G-2, it's slower than every US plane except the F4f or P40. Not a speed demon, but handles well in dives.

The C.205 at 15K will clip along at 400 true ground speed without WEP. Maybe not the fastest plane in the set but better than most.

Kweassa · « **Reply #42 on:** March 06, 2007, 03:51:03 PM »

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Amazing how some need to get into arguments over a subject NOT EVEN RELEVANT to the thread.

It's in the genes Kar.

Did I mention my father was a lawyer?

Widewing · « **Reply #43 on:** March 06, 2007, 04:17:10 PM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl
The C.205 at 15K will clip along at 400 true ground speed without WEP. Maybe not the fastest plane in the set but better than most.

At 15k, the C.205 can reach 382 mph in WEP. It can touch 400 mph but requires WEP, and only up at 24k. Similar to the 109G-2 in general...

My regards,

Widewing

BaldEagl · « **Reply #44 on:** March 06, 2007, 07:24:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
At 15k, the C.205 can reach 382 mph in WEP. It can touch 400 mph but requires WEP, and only up at 24k. Similar to the 109G-2 in general...

My regards,

Widewing

Hmmm, I'll have to check that. Not arguing with you but I was sure that's what I saw on the Speedo one night flying over Small Pizza. I'll have to see how easy it is to tell the difference on the speedometer too (I didn't check E6B).

It could also be I was thinking "Wow, almost 400" so it was the 400 that stuck in my mind but I know I didn't have WEP on and it took a while to reach that speed (at least a half sector if not longer).