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Offline Cougar68

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« Reply #30 on: March 07, 2007, 05:06:08 PM »
So Cobain played crappy guitar on purpose to poke fun at other bands?  Ummmmmm.....not drinking the koolaid.  Cobain made do with what talent he had.  

As for Stevie Ray's band, IMO they're sharing the top spot with a few others, but not Nirvana.  Tommy Shannon(bass) and Chris Layton(drums) were one of the most solid rhythm sections I've ever heard.

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« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2007, 05:29:16 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2007, 10:54:09 PM »
LOLH well not everyone is supposed to get it and that is what makes Nirvana as good and even better than the rest, because they did it when music had once again become formulaic regurgitation that had been done over and over and over ala hair bands and all the glory they brought.  Lest we not forget Tany Kitaen (sp?), David Lee Roth videos.  Add chicks and anythings is palpable LOLH.  
I cant wait for the next group to do it again.   Glad I was around and able to get it, and get to see it happen, at least once in my lifetime.

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2007, 07:53:02 AM »
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So Cobain played crappy guitar on purpose to poke fun at other bands?  Ummmmmm.....not drinking the koolaid.  


Why is that hard to believe? Page himself often played sloppy on purpose, because he was trying to mimic the rough blues style. Neil Young is intentionally sloppy. All of early punk rock was amateur sounding as a backlash against popular "rock" of the day. The fact that a lot of these guys couldn't play as clean as Chet Atkins or Steve Morse if their life depended on it is beside the point.

Cobain often said he was disappointed in how Nevermind was mixed in that it sounded too polished, which is why he used a different producer for In Utero.
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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2007, 11:21:18 AM »
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Why is that hard to believe? Page himself often played sloppy on purpose, because he was trying to mimic the rough blues style.


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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2007, 12:50:56 PM »
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Why is that hard to believe?


Because it's nothing but a convenient cop out used to explain a lack of prowess on an instrument.  I'm not trying to downlplay Nirvana, just being honest.  There have been several very influential groups that were only mediocre on their instruments.  Take Angus Young of AC/DC for example.  Great riff writer, but not a solo player by any stretch.  That doesn't make Young any less of a guitar player, just shows his limitations.  Cobain may have been capable of writing interesting songs and structures, but picking the guitar was not his strongpoint.  So what?  He made the best out of what he had.  To say that he played like crap on purpose as an expression of his dislike of hair bands is ludicrous and IMO cheapens anything he accomplished.

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« Reply #36 on: March 08, 2007, 01:29:06 PM »
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To say that he played like crap on purpose as an expression of his dislike of hair bands is ludicrous and IMO cheapens anything he accomplished.


For me that's what makes what they accomplished so much more, because when everyone took to them and their message like fish to water, it made the rest of us that felt the same way realize we weren't alone in a sea of people like this thread, no offense intended.  

I can understand why some feel the way they do as in this thread.  They represent the current establishment that was ushered out by Nirvana.  So I guess it's understandable some still don't get it after all that has passed.

Anyone that followed anything about Cobain knew his contempt for Corp music and the big labels and the poser rock the was so prevalent in the late 80s early 90s.  Have you ever listened to the song Rape Me?

It is not a stretch to believe he purposely played his solos as random noise, rather than do what everyone of you guys wanted, some stretched out look at me shred garbage which is not much more than practice scale puke anyway.  IMH, the fact that you guys don't get it only makes it more profound and makes me wonder if you really are listening to what he was saying.

"He's the one
Who likes all the pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he dont know what it means
And I say aahh"

Like I said above not everyone is supposed to get it.

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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2007, 01:45:25 PM »
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For me that's what makes what they accomplished so much more, because when everyone took to them and their message like fish to water, it made the rest of us that felt the same way realize we weren't alone in a sea of people like this thread, no offense intended.  

I can understand why some feel the way they do as in this thread.  They represent the current establishment that was ushered out by Nirvana.  So I guess it's understandable some still don't get it after all that has passed.

Anyone that followed anything about Cobain knew his contempt for Corp music and the big labels and the poser rock the was so prevalent in the late 80s early 90s.  Have you ever listened to the song Rape Me?

It is not a stretch to believe he purposely played his solos as random noise, rather than do what everyone of you guys wanted, some stretched out look at me shred garbage which is not much more than practice scale puke anyway.  IMH, the fact that you guys don't get it only makes it more profound and makes me wonder if you really are listening to what he was saying.

"He's the one
Who likes all the pretty songs
And he likes to sing along
And he likes to shoot his gun
But he dont know what it means
And I say aahh"

Like I said above not everyone is supposed to get it.


You know, our "debate" yesterday made me throw on In Utero and Nevermind.    "Something in the Way" - Excellent tune, with deliberate scale changes, but an "odd clarity".    "Rape Me" - yep, I know he was pissed about Sub Pop being bought out by Geffen.    THis is one tune, I've always known it was directed at "Record Co.s" and NOT to be taken literally as some do.  

I never noticed this, and I couldn't help but chuckle.   Granted he isn't the greatest of guitarists, but the message is there.   Today I'll have to throw on Bleach (always my favorite).

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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2007, 03:13:23 PM »
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 Granted he isn't the greatest of guitarists, but the message is there.  
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Bingo.  His lack of prowess on the guitar doesn't diminish the songs.

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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2007, 04:20:17 PM »
somewhere, in a basement in the midwest, lies my first-pressing copy of Bleach on vinyl (I'm overseas, and don't have a turntable, alas. Been reduced to listening to Pinetop Seven free downaoads). Anyway, Bleach moulders right near a tape of a radio show (behind 400 watts of left-of-the-dial broadcasting power) where I play a track from Bleach, the week of its release, and tell people to go out and buy the album.

Again, not the best in show, but if you'd heeded my advice then, your investment would have seen at least 10X the return.
Then again, if y'all had taken my advice on Iraq... (And, yes, at the time, we did play lots of Black Sabbath)

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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2007, 06:19:25 PM »
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He was trashed most days and nights of the week.


And in other breaking news ...

The pope is Catholic.
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« Reply #41 on: March 08, 2007, 08:44:23 PM »
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And in other breaking news ...

The pope is Catholic.


7 hours for this?   :rofl
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