Guilty!

[DiabloTX]

And the wheels in Washington keep turning, turning, turning...

[LePaul]

I love how this obsctruction case somehow turns into bigger...which it aint.

[Debonair]

After reviewing all of the posts, I declare myself winner of this thread

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[Thrawn]

Originally posted by bj229r
There have been 42 posts in this thread, and not ONE of them mentions that Richard Armitage, the #2 in the State Dept under Colin Powell, first put Plame's name into the press, NOT Libby, and Fitzgerald knew this back in 2003. Libby has been convicted of lying to the Grand Jury, but it's hard to understand what his motive would have been.

(The same State dept that has actively fought the administration for the whole 6 years, as they will be there long after Bush is gone)

As I said in the other thread...Armitage is a card carrying member of PNAC along with Jeb Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfwitz etc. He wasn't any kind of outsider.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
GWB never lied about that.

I don't see how this is "good" when it includes this drivil:
"it was Vice President Cheney who was on trial today and who has the responsibility for what Libby did. The vice president has a personal and moral responsibility to take responsibility for what Mr. Libby did at his instruction - and to apologize to Valerie Plame."

Yes, they DID lie about it and tried to cover it up.

I don't see that as drivel. It's a pretty accurate assessment. You don't think Scooter was a scapegoat for Cheney?

[Hap]

I actually hope it dies down.  

Going back to Jim Wright and John Tower, paybacks extract too heavy a toll.

Paybacks have had a hand in some matters political for a long spell -- long before Clinton, the Supremes in 2000, and this.  And don't jump on that and make it into more than it is.  Getting even plays a part.  Sometimes a small part especially when the other side can't find home plate.

It's pity we are what we are and the way we are.  

I'm fall on the side of truth and mercy.  They work hand in hand.  Not popular, and they ever have been.

I expect there were paybacks behind the scenes prior to my birth, 1957.  Wilson, Hoover, FDR, Truman over Dewey then Mc Carthy.  I'm not saying its that straight forward or connecting all the dots makes it simple.

One of the seemy sides of human nature, that's all.

FWIW, look at Federalist #1, you can see Hamilton alluding to it in the beginning no doubt hoping against hope to cool the kettle.

All the Best,

hap

p.s.  And rpm is right.  Fessing up is always a novel approach.

[bj229r]

Originally posted by Thrawn
As I said in the other thread...Armitage is a card carrying member of PNAC along with Jeb Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfwitz etc. He wasn't any kind of outsider.

So you're saying Powell and Armitage were both Bush lackey's?

[Delirium]

Lets see... and this is just my opinion;

One side was wrong to use Libby as a scapegoat, even if he will be pardoned and will never see the inside of a jail cell. People want to see someone declared guilty, even if it isn't for the crime of releasing the identity of an operative.

The other side should of sent an open minded operative without preconceived notions, who also had a good background into nuclear engineering, and a little less well known to Niger instead of Joseph Wilson.

Again, partisan politics... disgusting at best.

[Mightytboy]

Originally posted by rpm
Yes, they DID lie about it and tried to cover it up.

I don't see that as drivel. It's a pretty accurate assessment. You don't think Scooter was a scapegoat for Cheney?

What kind of proof do you have that they lied?

Nothing other than the typical liberal BS mantra. "Bush lied!"

I have seen no proof EVER that Bush or Cheney lied about anything.

All I've seen is a bunch of Libs wanting it to be true and thinking if they say it enough people will actually believe it.

[Jackal1]

Gee......someone holding a public office actualy lied?
How totaly shocking.

[Donzo]

Originally posted by rpm
Yes, they DID lie about it and tried to cover it up.

I don't see that as drivel. It's a pretty accurate assessment. You don't think Scooter was a scapegoat for Cheney?

Scapegoat for what?  

If there was a crime, why isn't anyone being charged with one?  If "outing" Plame was a crime, why aren't charges being brough against Richard Armitage...the guy who leaked the name to the press first?

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by rpm
Yes, they DID lie about it and tried to cover it up.

I don't see that as drivel. It's a pretty accurate assessment. You don't think Scooter was a scapegoat for Cheney?

Cmon RPM, your a smart guy.  This is BDS at it's best.  Bush never lied about the Iraq and Niger connection.  It was weak but true.

[Hap]

Originally posted by Donzo
Scapegoat for what?  

If there was a crime, why isn't anyone being charged with one?  If "outing" Plame was a crime, why aren't charges being brough against Richard Armitage...the guy who leaked the name to the press first?

Well, I think we're past being "charged" with a crime.  4 Felonies is a descent start on your rap sheet I guess.

And Gun, of course to "lie" one has to know the truth then wilfully supress it.

Watch Frontlines "The Dark Side" and tell me if you think knowing deception at worst &/or "don't tell me don't tell me" so I can't get accused of lying at best didn't play a part.

I reposted a link to "The Dark Side" yesterday in a thread by that title.

All the Best,

hap