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Offline Trukk

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« on: March 08, 2007, 05:56:06 PM »

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HARM #4 is coming up this Sunday @ 7:30 Eastern.  All are welcomed.

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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 05:44:30 AM »
These are a blast!....literally. :)
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 07:59:43 AM »
I'll be there:)
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2007, 12:49:31 AM »
Be there if you want to see some seriuos action.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2007, 12:54:35 AM »
I'm there.. hey trukk be sure and tell me how much fuel this week :D
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2007, 01:39:21 AM »
Pulled this from the HARM #3 discussion, figured better to be in the more current thread:

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Couple of recommendations:
--Also, I know it is difficult since you don't know how many or who is going to show, but create a template for bomber formations and escort (close, high, roving) and assign folks to the different positions during those last few minutes before the roll. Diagrams here You could also template the salvo, delay, and TAS for drop in the post on the HARM message board, instead of calling it in the air.

--Maybe try separate bomber and fighter VOX channels and do bomber to escort coordination on Range.

--Assign interception duties to the fighters by group--i.e. "Close (or High, Roving, etc.) cover intercept the 4 contacts (or "bandits" (as a known enemy aircraft) at 9 o'clock". This preserves the other fighters to pick up the next group of bad guys while the first group is tangled up. A little economy of force, so to speak.

--Use a bomber route of approach that is relatively perpendicular to the "front" so that the penetration into enemy territory is perpendicular and the climbout is safe from early interception.


As to a template for formations, this was the one posted in the postings on FiLtH's first Bomb Wing mission:




* Having Escorts and Bombers on seperate VOX channels, and using Local for Bogie Alerts makes sense.  

* Having escorts run by separate CO who knows the drill (winging up, assigning pilots to cover areas, not having all escorts chase after a single plane....) from the bomber groups leaders also makes managing the mission easier.  Fighter pilot discipline is important to chase off enemy, but stay with the formation, and not all gang on one enemy plane.

* Having Escorts lift from a separate runway, or even a separate field to help limit frame rate problems.

* Having each bomber group as a separate mission with 1 minute launch times can also help with maintaining formations.  Lead group will need to run at 75 to 80% of full power once airborne to close up the formations.  High, Lead, and Low Groups can be determined by whichever altitude each group manages on the initial climb out, and assigned by Mission Leader.

* recommend 80% of maximum MAN be upper limit of speed settings during the mission.  More important to have a good close formation on a bomber run, than trying to run close to maximum MAN.

*Route should be kept simple.  The fewer, and the more shallow, the turns, the easier to keep the formation together.  KISS principle.   A large number of the participants in these missions go AFK at times, or don't have the skills to maintain a formation through many, or sharp, turns.  Better to climb out from further back, rather than paralleling the front.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2007, 08:44:19 AM »
BALANCE

Welp, heres the dealio.
  We've spent years and literally hundreds of missions flying close enough to hand off a beer if necessary. I like the idea of having organization like the above. And its cool to use this, heck its a walk in the park for us.But for many folks just learning bombers and formation flying, this may be a bit much. We can use this as a template, it looks great and we've used it. And I guess the only way to say what I'm thinking is that I will not force it down anyones throat. I think its acceptable that any tagalongs just stay close in to the main group, and the lead uses a throttle setting which allows for them to fall in, and turns that allow them to stay there. As a squadron , we can use these diciplines, but for the walkons, lets not suck out the fun factor. If they wish to join a squad, then they can be taught the art of formation flying.

Cyas tonight.
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« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2007, 11:33:33 AM »
we got this and the 18 plane template in our forums, but when your doing public missions you have to ajust to all participants.
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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2007, 12:09:44 PM »
Hehe, yeah getting a bunch of singltons to fly a good formation can be like trying to herd a bunch of cats!

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« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2007, 05:50:50 PM »
Bump.
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« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2007, 07:41:44 PM »
Great mission guys. Was a lot of fun besides having our target covered in clouds once we arrived. Looking forward to next sunday. And I'll be ready for you damn 262s next time.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2007, 08:01:50 PM »
I'd like to commend the Escorts on this run. I was blown away by the coordination , and expertise that was executed. Many a con fell, we planted bombs on target, and most RTB'd. Good times. :)

Was also good to fly with Cooley again. :) man

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Cyas next week

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« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2007, 08:15:47 PM »
Yeah, they were great!  Especially for the number of bandits that engaged the group.

But boy I hate pizza maps!

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« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2007, 08:16:58 PM »
Thanks for putting these missions on guys. I have the greatest time in these kinda flights.

all and cya next Sunday.
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« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2007, 08:30:58 PM »
How did the B-17s fair? I lost all my birds thanks to a ram which I took the damage for and an LTAR that caught me out of ammo.