Breaking News DC Gun laws struck down

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by lazs2
MT...  I am wondering what you think of this..  I believe that several times in the past you have said... "name one gun control law that was struck down on constitutional grounds".
lazs

Honestly lazs, I think it's about time this all came to a final decision. Now that the 2nd has been cited in a federal court case the ambiguous nature of the 2nd can be removed forever. And please don't say it isn't an ambiguously written amendment. If it were as clear as you claim it to be there would never be a "2nd amendment debate".

[john9001]

Originally posted by Hap

On a side note, at work the other day, I asked a woman for her ID to process her check -- I work in a grocery store -- and she handed me her laminated card that stated it was her license to carry a concealed weapon.

1st time I've ever seen one of those.

Good Post,

hap

i have always been tempted to show my CC permit for my ID when boarding a airplane, but the TSA would probably shut down the airport.

[Bodhi]

Interesting development.  I highly doubt that the liberals of Al Quaida America (Democrats) will stop at this ruling though.  You can guarantee they are going to fight the 2nd Ammendment until they gather the power they need to propose an ammendment that abolishes the 2nd Ammendment.

The war for the 2nd Ammendment is far from over.  Be vigilant, and be heard.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Interesting development.  I highly doubt that the liberals of Al Quaida America (Democrats) will stop at this ruling though.  You can guarantee they are going to fight the 2nd Ammendment until they gather the power they need to propose an ammendment that abolishes the 2nd Ammendment.

The war for the 2nd Ammendment is far from over.  Be vigilant, and be heard.

The fight over the second ammendment might be just what is needed to put Republican back in power in Congress next election, and secure the Presidency.

[Hap]

I don't know that the Republicans will have much of a problem holding onto the White House.  

I expect them to do so.

Moreover, if the Republican's win, I expect the margin to be larger than the preceeding two Presidential elections.

As to a 2nd amendment wrangle helping them secure the White House, I doubt it would do so.  My guess is it would have the opposite effect.

A year from now, the horror the horror, we'll be just over 8 months from the general election.  And, the respective conventions would still be about 5 months away.

Hey, want a prediction?

I'll blurt it out so you can laugh at me, but I say it's going to be Newt versus Al.

I guess Guilini's stand on abortion, guns, and homosexual marriage, especially the 1st and 3rd, are just too big of a pill to swallow come to or before the convention.  Mc Cain would be my guess to get the nod, but there's some bad blood there and who knows how high and deep it runs.

I don't suppose Hillary and Obama to be electable.  Edwards would seem like a reasonable choice come convention time or before.  The guys and gals behind the scenes may well think he has it right and can win.  But, I am guessing that Gore's losing by a smidge will win the day.

So, it's going to be Newt and Al because in the decision makers can find more to agree upon with them than the others (don't ask me to prove it I can't.)  And this is just all semi-wild speculation on my part.

And the winner will be: President Newt.


Hope the Day Goes Well for All,

hap

[Bodhi]

Hap is right in the the 2nd Ammendment debate will not trip the election to the Republicans.  The fact that Hillary is unelectable, and Obama is black, neither will get in.  That leaves Edwards, but unfortunately for him, he is just another Dan Quayle, but the Democrats will support him, or be stupid and put up Hillary.  

That leaves the Republicans putting up McCain or Giulliani.  Personally I like Giulliani more than McCain, but, his stance on gun control is tough for me to swallow.  Personally I could care less about queers getting married and I support the right to choose.  The smart move would be to put up Giulliani if he agrees to drop gun control and leave Roe vs. Wade alone.  That alone would guarantee him the win.  

Oh, and Hap, Newt will never get the nod.

[Debonair]

ross perot
srsly

[Toad]

Originally posted by midnight Target
And please don't say it isn't an ambiguously written amendment.

It is as unambiguous as saying the earth is for all intents and purposes round rather than flat.

Of course, there used to be lots of folks that argued the earth was flat. They were just wrong, just like those that think the 2nd does not delineate an individual right as every other amendment in the bill of rights does.

The reason there is debate is because there are those that wish it did not delineate an individual right. In other words, because there are those that would subvert the Bill of Rights.

[StarOfAfrica2]

Scary thought here ........

Assuming we do get a SC ruling and it upholds the one in DC, it wont toss out every state's Concealed Carry laws, but it will make several of the more restrictive states reconsider their laws or face lawsuits.  I think we can agree those points are a given.

Now assume a Democrat gets into office with a Democratic Congress.  I smell a push for a new Constitutional amendment to reconsider the 2nd if those things come to pass.  If they cant stop the SC from ruling in a way they dont like, they can try to end run around the SC by rewriting the Constitution.  Could they do it?

[VOR]

I could respect a man with the political courage to propose repealing the 2nd as opposed to a spineless man who tries to chip it away bit by bit until it's meaningless.

[Bodhi]

SOA,
A rewrite of the constitution is the only way it could ever go.  If this ruling by the SC stands, then a rewrite is the only way to go as you said.

However, if a rewrite of the constitutin to abolish the 2nd Ammendment is attempted, I think that might be enough of a catalyst to force a massive movement of "change".  I suspect that "change" will not be very pleasant for those that propose the rewrite.

I suspect the infamous quote "They can have my gun when they pry it from my cold, dead hand" will actually play out in more than one way.

[moot]

Cue Laser..

[Widewing]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
If they cant stop the SC from ruling in a way they dont like, they can try to end run around the SC by rewriting the Constitution.  Could they do it?

No. There's no chance to get the required number of states to ratify something that extreme. They couldn't get the Equal Rights Amendment through the various state houses. I doubt that it would have a prayer passing the Congress and Senate. Remember what happened the last time gun owners turned out to vote? The Dems lost both houses. Many Democrats fear the NRA's power and money in their local elections.

Keeping their jobs is the primary concern of politicians. Everything else competes for second place.

My regards,

Widewing

[Hap]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Oh, and Hap, Newt will never get the nod.

If McCain would say some stuff I want to hear about bringing back our manufacturing, I'd be behind him more than I am which still is a considerable degree.

In reality, it's probably gone for good which is just plain awful.

The reason I guessed Newt is from what I've read some powerful Repubs are sore beyond sore at McCain for all the campaign finance reform stuff which I support.

Newt would be a stretch.

I'd be happy with McCain.  He's speaks my language on the things I value most.

If he were more like Buchanan on manufacturing, I'd campaign for him.

Regards,

hap

[Hap]

Originally posted by Widewing
No. There's no chance to get the required number of states to ratify something that extreme.

Widewing is right.


All the Best,

hap