Gen. Pace weighs in on gays in the military

[eskimo2]

Suppose he said that he thought Jews were immoral?  What if he stated that in his opinion that blacks weren’t smart?  If you were black or Jewish would you want someone who stated such as your leader?

[VOR]

You're missing the point, Eskimo. Under current military law, it's ok to admit you're black or even Jewish. No problem.

[Kieran]

Quintv,

I'd be curious who was polled.

Given that approximately 80% of Americans identify as Christian, it's hard to fathom 54% being okay with homosexuality.

[AquaShrimp]

I've never thought about that.  Someone in the military, a person who kills or supports killing, calling a harmless act immoral!  

Now I don't like killing, unless the world is better off without that person.  But the fact of the matter is that more innocent civilians die in wars than combatants.  

I still find open homosexuality slightly unacceptable, but what other people want to do, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, has no bearing on my action.  But for old Ticket-Puncher Pace to call an act like that immoral, while he knew what war was like (he served in Vietnam), thats just hypocrisy.

Pace, don't forget, you serve us, the civilian government, not the other way around.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by Kieran
Quintv,

I'd be curious who was polled.

Given that approximately 80% of Americans identify as Christian, it's hard to fathom 54% being okay with homosexuality.

There are plenty of Christians who don’t have a problem with homosexuality.

[Mini D]

There seems to be a disparity between the polls and the voters. Oregon (typically a Dem state by about 53% to 47%) voted in a ban on gay marriage with a 65% "yes" vote. Given our voting history, I thought this bill would get shot down for sure.

[john9001]

polls are for fools, they asked 900 people out of 300,000,000.

[cpxxx]

I always wonder about people who get all worked up about gays. Maybe they protest a little too much. Perhaps they have something to hide?  I think a lot of homophobes are secretly gay and desperate to keep their secret.

Ironic doncha think?

[Eagler]

problem is now that they are way out of the closet, they feel they have to flaunt their weirdness - shoving it down our throats - if you excuse the pun

homos need love too ...

by the time our kids kids have kids being queer will be all the rage and straight ppl will be the odd balls ..

[AquaShrimp]

Originally posted by cpxxx
I always wonder about people who get all worked up about gays. Maybe they protest a little too much. Perhaps they have something to hide?  I think a lot of homophobes are secretly gay and desperate to keep their secret.

Ironic doncha think?

This country is about freedom buddy.  People get worked up when others try to take it away.

[straffo]

Originally posted by AquaShrimp
This country is about freedom buddy.  People get worked up when others try to take it away.

Are you "liberul" ?

Freedom is only for conservatives.

[eskimo2]

Originally posted by cpxxx
I always wonder about people who get all worked up about gays. Maybe they protest a little too much. Perhaps they have something to hide?  I think a lot of homophobes are secretly gay and desperate to keep their secret.

Ironic doncha think?

You want ironic?  I’ve always thought that I was 100% straight.  Recently, however, I’ve begun to realize that homophobic men really turn me on!

[Kieran]

Originally posted by eskimo2
There are plenty of Christians who don’t have a problem with homosexuality.

I wouldn't go as far as "plenty". In fact, any Christian religion that actually uses the Old Testament would most definitely be against homosexuality. Homosexuality is referred to as an "abomination".

What that means is a Christian that uses the Old Testament cannot support any law that forwards the cause of homosexuality, as it would be going against God.

I know the Episcopalien church has recently allowed openly homosexual priests, but that has caused a huge rift within the church itself. Aside from that, I don't know of any mainstream Christian religion that is okey-dokey with homosexuality.

[storch]

Originally posted by quintv

http://www.galluppoll.com/content/default.aspx?ci=1651



 
http://www.pollingreport.com/civil.htm



The first poll was the closest I could find to something asking whether people thought homosexuality was immoral or not doing a quick search. I'll keep a little more to see if I can find a single poll by any well reputed polling agency supporting the notion that most Americans think homosexuality is immoral. In the second poll I'm assuming the supporters of Legal Gay marriage or Legal Gay Partnerships being are in the "not immoral" camp. It seems overall to be closer to a 50/50 issue than it does a majority vs minority issue (on other side of the argument).

interesting poll.  do you know if it was nationwide or just san francisco, new york and fort lauderdale areas that were polled?

[Mark Luper]

I have a problem with open homosexuality. I think war is immoral but necessary at times. I can't fathom homosexuality as ever being necessary. It's a choice people make that I don't agree with. I work with some homosexuals and a gender changer. I don't agree with them but don't have much of a problem working with them except the gender changer. That one I find almost impossible to work around.

Mark