Author Topic: Who is Ron Paul? (Read 13797 times)

AKIron · « **Reply #225 on:** November 02, 2007, 09:31:26 PM »

Our borders have proven to be inconsequential, both to those only looking for work/welfare and those looking to blow us up.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #226 on:** November 05, 2007, 09:41:01 AM »

Ron Paul on the cover of the Rocky Mountain Chronicle:

Here's the article.

Also on the main page of the Boulder Weekly... article here

crockett · « **Reply #227 on:** November 05, 2007, 10:58:42 AM »

The problem with Ron Paul is he doesn't know when to shut up or stop.

Sure less govt regulation is great, but it doesn't mean we need to get rid of everything the govt does.

I mean hell he wants to get rid of the Post Office and let it go commercial. What exactly will that accomplish? Does the US post office do a bad job? I don't think they do.

Do you really want some guy that's hired by some company to sift through your mail? At least with the govt in charge of it, their is accountability set in place if that happens.

Sure private business can do things better in many cases I will never argue against that. However Ron Paul just goes off the deep end because he doesn't know where to draw the line.

Look at health care in this country for a prime example.. Look how notoriously bad HMO services are by the majority and how expensive health care is in this country. It's pretty obvious that in countries where health care is provided by the govt, that more people get access to the health care. Not only that but it's cheaper.

If private industry can do everything better and can be "trusted" to do it with out jacking up the price for profits. Well then tell me why medicines in Canada would cost me as a US citizen half of what it costs here in the US.

Sure I'm' all for farming out certain things to private contractors with less govt involvement, but not everything. That's where Ron Paul loses my vote.

Btw with less govt regulation, do you honestly think pollution would get better? This list could go on and on and on.. There are reasons in many cases why heavy govt regulation was put in place. The reason is because a lot of people don't care about anything but money.

john9001 · « **Reply #228 on:** November 05, 2007, 11:25:28 AM »

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Originally posted by crockett

If private industry can do everything better and can be "trusted" to do it with out jacking up the price for profits. Well then tell me why medicines in Canada would cost me as a US citizen half of what it costs here in the US.

The Canadian govt has laws that control the pricing of drugs.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #229 on:** November 05, 2007, 11:47:03 AM »

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Originally posted by crockett
The problem with Ron Paul is he doesn't know when to shut up or stop.

Sure less govt regulation is great, but it doesn't mean we need to get rid of everything the govt does.

I mean hell he wants to get rid of the Post Office and let it go commercial. What exactly will that accomplish? Does the US post office do a bad job? I don't think they do.

Do you really want some guy that's hired by some company to sift through your mail? At least with the govt in charge of it, their is accountability set in place if that happens.

monopoly = bad, competition = good. Read Spooner vs. U.S. Postal System if you're interested in the post office issue.

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Sure private business can do things better in many cases I will never argue against that. However Ron Paul just goes off the deep end because he doesn't know where to draw the line.

Look at health care in this country for a prime example..

for an example of what? how corporate protectionist policies can screw up healthcare?

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Look how notoriously bad HMO services are by the majority and how expensive health care is in this country. It's pretty obvious that in countries where health care is provided by the govt, that more people get access to the health care. Not only that but it's cheaper.

If private industry can do everything better and can be "trusted" to do it with out jacking up the price for profits. Well then tell me why medicines in Canada would cost me as a US citizen half of what it costs here in the US.

Gee, how silly to think that a DOCTOR might have some ideas regarding how to "fix" healthcare in the US. He's covered this in detail, here's all the info regarding Ron Paul and the health care system you could want... http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/topic.php?id=22

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Sure I'm' all for farming out certain things to private contractors with less govt involvement, but not everything. That's where Ron Paul loses my vote.

Btw with less govt regulation, do you honestly think pollution would get better? This list could go on and on and on.. There are reasons in many cases why heavy govt regulation was put in place. The reason is because a lot of people don't care about anything but money.

Here's an interview of Ron Paul specifically discussing environmental issues and the Free Market.

crockett · « **Reply #230 on:** November 05, 2007, 12:49:45 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
The Canadian govt has laws that control the pricing of drugs.

Yes but see Ron Paul is against more govt control. Our govt wont pass the same kind of law here because "we the people" no longer run this govt. Lobbyists from the pharmaceutical companies have more power than any citizen in this country has.

Your post is prime example of why govt should be involved in that kind of stuff. Which is the problem with Ron Paul and his less govt involvement on everything theories.

There is no reason in the world as to why drugs should cost twice as much here in the US, as the exact same drug does in Canada. Our govt could also control the pricing of drugs but we don't. Why not?

The govt doesn't work for the people of this country it works for big business and special intrest. It's not a problem of too much govt control, it's a problem of too much control in the hands of lobbyists and the fact that most of our govt doesn't have term limits. So the longer a politician stays in power the more power and control he builds up.

Put term limits on all govt position and make lobbyists illegal and this country would very likely turn it's self around fairly quickly.

Money and power both corrupt. Add them together and it's a done deal.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #231 on:** November 05, 2007, 12:52:50 PM »

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Originally posted by crockett
The govt doesn't work for the people of this country it works for big business and special intrest.

agree with ya 100%!

Trell · « **Reply #232 on:** November 05, 2007, 12:53:52 PM »

The problem is the goverment protects the companies.
If not then people could sue them for price gouging as well as remove the goverment limit and protections to these compaanies.

If ron wants to remove the protections then i see no problem with them removing the restrictions.

lazs2 · « **Reply #233 on:** November 05, 2007, 02:50:26 PM »

BS.. see what I mean? crock-it and other lefties will come unglued once they realize that less government means...well.. less government.

Who will tell us to wear our seatbelts or protect us from the neighbor who has a gun or stop people from saying the "n" word.. or make sure that the rich pay?

sure... less government sounds good to em till they realize it means... less government... less of a chance to tell people what to do.

crock-it is proving my point.

me.. hell.. you don't have to sell me... I can only think of one or two things the government should do... you want good meat? safe food? buy kosher and stay away from government seal of approval stuff.

lazs

crockett · « **Reply #234 on:** November 05, 2007, 03:09:08 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
BS.. see what I mean? crock-it and other lefties will come unglued once they realize that less government means...well.. less government.

Who will tell us to wear our seatbelts or protect us from the neighbor who has a gun or stop people from saying the "n" word.. or make sure that the rich pay?

sure... less government sounds good to em till they realize it means... less government... less of a chance to tell people what to do.

crock-it is proving my point.

me.. hell.. you don't have to sell me... I can only think of one or two things the government should do... you want good meat? safe food? buy kosher and stay away from government seal of approval stuff.

lazs

Funny because you righties sure seem to love to tell the rest of us what is ok to watch on TV or say on the radio. Much less what women can do with their bodies.

Both sides love to try and tell others what to do.. It's just what they try to tell you is diffrent.

What is it, that the rich pay? If you are talking about taxes, well In most cases by percentage the wealthy in this country pay far less of a tax percentage than some guy making 30 or 40k a year.

Your average hard working American pays about 30% to 40% of his income in taxes. The wealthy tend to pay closer to 20% to 30%.

Only way taxes will ever be fair is if we went to a flat tax but that will never happen. Simply because big business knows they would then pay more taxes. I think Ron Paul babbles about doing this, but he would never get it passed.

If you remember George Bush and his first campaign, he also promised a flat tax.. He sure has seemed to go far with that now hasn't he?

When politicians claim they will give us a flat tax, it's nothing more than a song and a dance for the masses at election time. The real powers that be will never let a flat tax be put in place. They would then actually have to pay taxes.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #235 on:** November 05, 2007, 03:41:15 PM »

Lazs, I don't think crockett is making that point for you. He was never ON Paul's bandwagon, therefor he hasn't/can't jump OFF it.

Crockett, Paul supports a flat income tax. 0% for everyone...

moot · « **Reply #236 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:17:55 PM »

Amazing how people will discredit candidates other than theirs without any factual basis...

crockett · « **Reply #237 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:25:43 PM »

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Originally posted by bsdaddict
Lazs, I don't think crockett is making that point for you. He was never ON Paul's bandwagon, therefor he hasn't/can't jump OFF it.

Crockett, Paul supports a flat income tax. 0% for everyone...

Yes I know.. I'm sure he would get that passed too.. Hence the reason I brought up what Bush campaigned on during his first election. He promised a flat tax.

Where is it? It's never gonna happen which is the point I was making about RP's tax promise.

crockett · « **Reply #238 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:28:14 PM »

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Originally posted by moot
Amazing how people will discredit candidates other than theirs without any factual basis...

If you are talking about me.. I don't have a candidate. Non of them speak to me.

As I've said before Ron Paul sounds good at the start then he just keeps talking and going crazy. If he knew where to draw the limits, then yea maybe I'd vote for him. However the more he talks the crazier he sounds.

Just like Ross Perot..

moot · « **Reply #239 on:** November 05, 2007, 04:36:05 PM »

Go on, then. Why is RP 'crazy' in the current campaign's context?