The Ten Manliest Firearms

[Xargos]

Also, I believe Delta Force snipers use hand made ammo, I could be wrong on this so I won't argue over it.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
That wounding is preferred to killing is bull****.  It ONLY applies to civilized armies.

The last time we fought a civilized army was WW2.  Every single war since then has been against extremists who either did not care about their wounded, or would simply become enraged by it.  And from the state of things in the world, it doesn't not seem that this fact will change any time soon.

Calling nazis or Japanese Empire of the 1940s "civilized" is simply insane.

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Boroda
Calling nazis or Japanese Empire of the 1940s "civilized" is simply insane.

Nazis?  Civilized?  No.

But the germans were.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Standard 308 ammo for snipers is Federal Match grade manufactured with the Sierra 168 HPBT Match King bullet. In fact, if you go to FBI sniper school at Quantico, they used to provide you with a CASE of it all from one lot.

Now, I have some SEAL sniper ammo that is 300 Winchester Magnum. It is NOT "factory loaded". It is pretty much ballistically equivalent to my own very fast hot loaded ammo. What I have is the same Sierra 168 grain HPBT Match King above, over a max ( I WILL NOT reveal what the charge is) charge of 4350 with a large rifle magnum primer. In MY Winchester Model 70 with a 26" barrel, it clocks right at 3300 fps. The SEAL ammo shoots to within about 1/2" or so of the point of impact of my ammo.

The 300 Winchester Magnum ammo used by the rifle teams is also custom handloaded.

The Barrett also gets a special diet, as opposed to getting the standard ammo issued for the Ma Deuce.

Were I going to battle, I'd MUCH prefer an M1 Garand or an M14, with a 1911, to the current M-16 variant and the Beretta. I'll pass on the 5.56 and 9 stuff, thanks. I use .22 caliber stuff for varmints. Granted, my old Model 70 220 Swift was deadly accurate, and hit hard, but not like my 300 Winchester, 30-06, or my shooting buddy's various 308s, including an AR variant chambered for 308.

[Wolf14]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Mine.  

Same here along with my M1-Super90

[Pei]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
A glock makes the list, but the gun that won WW2 does not?

The .303 Lee Enfield is already in there.

[Excel1]

Originally posted by lasersailor184
If I remember correctly, that had to do with other factors.  First being that the somalis were coked up just to the point where they can still barely function.  Add onto that the fact that the M4's being used couldn't propel the bullet fast enough to fracture open impact.  The bullets (to fracture) need to be moving at a certain speed.  

Because the barrel is shorter, the bullet dropped past this point at about 50 yards, effectively making the bullet a really fast .22 .


Those two factors did not bode well with anyone wielding an M4 (during the mogadishu battle).

.223 is one of my favourite cartridges but I have always thought that it would have been better if the M-16 had been re-chambered in a larger calibre when the A2 was introduced instead of modifying the 5.56mm cartridge(M193 to ss109/m855)by making the projectile heavier, slower and a less frangible to make it more "humane" and to get it perform effectively in the SAW role (penetration body armour at 800+ yards from memory), for which I think the cartridge was never originally intended to be used for, or suited too.

Although the 1 in 14 rifling twist was a bit too slow on early AR-15s Imo Stoner's original idea for the AR-15/5.56mm combo of a light weight, slightly unstable, highly frangible projectile driven to the highest muzzle velocity possible with fast burning powder was optimum for the 5.56 round as used in a rifle like the AR-15.

[bj229r]

That was frikkin hilarious

The Mosin was used by the Russians against the Finns, the Finns against the Russians, the Estonians against the Russians, the Russians against the Russians, and the Russians against the Germans.  It does, in fact, have a safety, but it's quite hard to engage.  But this is not a complaint one would ever voice in the Red Army.  Your officer would reply, "Safety? Safety?  Is gun!  Meant to kill!  No warrior should know he has safety on gun, because he should be killing enemies of homeland!  Safety make loud click to aid enemy in locating warriors!  No safety!" while pounding his fist on the table.

[lasersailor184]

Excel, the AR-15 and the First versions of the M16 were completely different.  With the exception of using the 5.56 round, the AR-15 is a pretty good gun.  It's accurate, reliable, functions properly and is a pretty good gun.

However, in setting out the manufacturing plans to make the M16, they cut away all the good features of the AR-15, and even put in some bad ones to the M16.


And Pei, I know you meant to get in a zinger, however it is not up for debate that the Garand won WW2.

[Pooh21]

The Garand and the Mosin Nagant won WW2. The Lee Enfield just tagged along like that little dog, with the bulldog in Loony Toons.