Author Topic: Anyone Not Want an AR-15? (Read 1400 times)

Halo · « **on:** March 16, 2007, 09:49:29 PM »

Friend of mine bought a Rock River Arms AR-15 in .223 cal / 5.56 mm. I've rented one at the local indoor gun range and enjoyed firing it several times. Its ammo seems effective, plentiful, and affordable.

This type also comes in .308 and other calibers, and quite a few variations with even more variations of supplemental equipment. Seems like this design can do just about anything.

After reading a lot about the AR-15 family, the question that comes to mind is why would any gun enthusiast NOT want one?

NOT · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2007, 10:10:47 PM »

Are you selling or recommending??

NOT

Xargos · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2007, 10:18:40 PM »

I want a Stoner.

hyena426 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2007, 10:19:15 PM »

i own a colt ar-15 target match...with tridium sites...its dead on...my buds own a a-10 armilite 308 and a olympic arms vietnam style ar.....its a great shooting gun..the 308 shot like a dream..not much recoil for the round..but i dont think there are many guns i disslike...lol..they all got there fun points..even the black powders:)

tedrbr · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2007, 10:51:18 PM »

In 5.56, I'll take an H&K 416 with 10-1/2 inch barrel.

If I were still mechanized, and using 5.56, T.A.R. 21.

Given my choice of ammo, something in a 6.8mm probably.

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2007, 11:27:55 PM »

Why would I not want one? Because I would be able to spend the money on anything else.

But, if someone held a gun to my head, I would pick the AR-10 in .308, the way it was originally meant to be. I've heard that gun isn't half bad.

Hornet33 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 17, 2007, 12:29:59 AM »

I already own a Bushmaster AR-15/M-4 and I love the thing. I can buy 500rds of ammo for about $100 online and have it shipped to my house via UPS or FedEx. I've never had a malfunction with my personal weapon and I can still shoot 2 inch shot groups at 200 yrds all day long with the iron sights. Great weapon with good ammo. No recoil to speak of and it just fits nice to the shoulder.

hyena426 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 17, 2007, 07:30:18 AM »

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In 5.56, I'll take an H&K 416 with 10-1/2 inch barrel.

nice guns..but i dout ill get one..they just cost too much..any real h&k can run up over 3,000...for that price i would rather buy somthing old and colectible..or buy 2 ar's plus throw in a few ak's for that price...i hate to shoot any gun i own that cost over 1,500 as a shooter...after that price range i stick in guns that are gaining colectors value..i hate buying new and high priced then lose value after its had a few clips ran threw it.

VOR · « **Reply #8 on:** March 17, 2007, 09:43:30 AM »

I'm not really interested in one.

Bodhi · « **Reply #9 on:** March 17, 2007, 10:43:36 AM »

I have 3.

A Colt Green Label AR-15 set up like a M4, another Colt preban with a 22" barrel and scope set up. It runs a 1 in 7 twist with a picany (SP) rail that the scope is mounted on. I also have an Armalite AR that is basically stock.

I like them obviously. Given unlimited cash, I'd buy a Stoner though.

TPIguy · « **Reply #10 on:** March 17, 2007, 10:44:36 AM »

Why would I want a plastic fantastic mousegun? Real guns are made from metal and wood and have a bore diameter of .308 or larger. They also have a butt stock that can crack a skull open or drive a tent stake without breaking off.

CptA · « **Reply #11 on:** March 17, 2007, 10:58:03 AM »

After dragging one around Iraq for 14 months, I can say that while it is a lighter, more handy weapon than some, The M-16/M-4 has a serious flaw...it's direct impinging gas-blowback action.

This design is light and simple but can and does lead to failures due to fouling.

It sprays carbon and un-burned powder residue back into the chamber and bolt-face area with even just a little firing, and it is extremely hard to clean, especially the locking lugs on the breech face.

The HK-416 is basically the same M-16/M-4 design with the addition of a gas-piston and operating rod (like an M-14 or M-1A).

Because it is not spraying gas and residue back into the action, this weapon stays cooler during sustained firing, fouls less, and can be fired much longer before it needs a cleaning. This makes it much more reliable.

Also, HK's proprietary (smoothly curved) steel-bodied magazine design is clearly superior. It is a little bit heavier than the standard issue 30rd M-16 magazine, but it works reliably when fully loaded, suffers less from bulging, it is harder to damage the feed lips, and easier to clean.

If I could find one, this is the AR-15 type weapon that I would choose to own.

However very few have made it into the civilian channel, as Colt has chosen to file lawsuits against H&K, claiming that they are infringing upon their patent and manufacturing rights.

CptA

Guppy35 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 17, 2007, 11:23:56 AM »

I have 2. A Bushmaster and a DPMS. Very fun to shoot.

Charon · « **Reply #13 on:** March 17, 2007, 11:24:41 AM »

There are a few rifles I would pick first, Like a FN-FAL, but there is some nostalgia for an AR-15A1 build. Plus, it would be an easier weapon for my non-firearm friends to try and for women to shoot. But then my M1 Carbine does that as well. I'm waiting for the CMP to start selling off their Service grade carbines in April. Maybe find a good deal on an SKS in the meantime.

Charon

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 17, 2007, 01:18:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Charon
There are a few rifles I would pick first, Like a FN-FAL, but there is some nostalgia for an AR-15A1 build. Plus, it would be an easier weapon for my non-firearm friends to try and for women to shoot. But then my M1 Carbine does that as well. I'm waiting for the CMP to start selling off their Service grade carbines in April. Maybe find a good deal on an SKS in the meantime.

Charon

April? I was under the impression that it was already going on, but I just have hearsay.