Anyone Not Want an AR-15?

[Rino]

Originally posted by Bodhi
I have 3.

A Colt Green Label AR-15 set up like a M4,  another Colt preban with a 22" barrel and scope set up.  It runs a 1 in 7 twist with a picany (SP) rail that the scope is mounted on.  I also have an Armalite AR that is basically stock.

I like them obviously.  Given unlimited cash, I'd buy a Stoner though.

     It's Piccatinny Arsenal btw Bodhi..I live about 5 miles away

[wes34th]

Shoot the tavor, the ar-15 is a peice of crap compared to this new infantry weapon!:)

[Viking]

Originally posted by Halo
Friend of mine bought a Rock River Arms AR-15 in .223 cal / 5.56 mm.

.223 and 5.56 NATO are not the same. Make sure you're firing the correct ammo for your gun or you risk damaging your rifle and possibly injuring yourself.

[CFYA]

Many guns will fire either ammo and have done this on many ocassions. There are a few dimensional differences but mainly the pressure difference is the biggest concern. The NATO round is significantly higher in pressure than the standard .223 round. The NATO round has a thicker case and a longer lead (bullet jump to engage the rifleing) compared to the 223. When firing a NATO round in a 223 chambered rifle increased throat wear and decrease accuracy are the most notable side effects. Bottom line most new guns will not have significant problems with the .223 and 5.56 relationship.

Having said that it is ALWAYS wise to verify the manufactors recommendations. Older rifles (semi/full auto particularly) can experience gun malfunctions including chamber failure due to the pressure difference.


CFYA

[CFYA]

Also, many of the M-16 problems have come from the militarys blind insistence on using a dirty (cheap) ball powder. Armalite warned them when we were in Vietnam. A good burning clean powder will go many times longer than what the troops have now.


Sometimes the government can really screw up great things!!

CFYA

[Toad]

Saw TV show about some guy that had redesigned the AR so that the recoil spring was on top and no longer in the butt stock. He also modified it so that it was no longer direct impingement in the gas system but used a piston on top inside the recoil spring.

Can't remember the name of the company now though.. anyone see that show?

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by Toad
Saw TV show about some guy that had redesigned the AR so that the recoil spring was on top and no longer in the butt stock. He also modified it so that it was no longer direct impingement in the gas system but used a piston on top inside the recoil spring.

Can't remember the name of the company now though.. anyone see that show?

Yeah I saw that one. I think it was Firepower. Anyway H&K are the ones who made it. It still looks like a regular M-16 (almost) but they managed to take care of the common issues people have with the thing. The bolt doesn't get hot anymore. They fired a 30 round mag on full auto and the guy imediately pulled the bolt out of it and held it in his hands. They also fired a 50 round drum mag on full auto while turning the gun up side down and then back up right. Full 360 to demenstrate how it wont jam. They also buried the thing in sand, pulled it out and fired it after only shaking the sand off it. I think they fired it under water as well but I might be thinking of a different program on that one. I was impressed with it. Also it fires the .308 / 7.62 NATO round in the 417 model and 5.56mm in the 416 model.

Here's a linky for you.
.pdf file


H&K 417 Weapons System

[lazs2]

thanks for the link....  the 417 addresses all the problems and complaints I have with the m16 family.

lazs

[Hornet33]

Well H&K don't make junk. I'd love to see a civilian version of the 416 offered. I'd take the .223 over the .308 just because I already have a ton of mags for my M4.  .223 is cheaper to buy as well so I can get more range time.

Regardless it is an awsome weapons system.

[lazs2]

I have owned HK 91 and 93 and they were good except for the fluted chamber that ruined the brass.    

One of the things that the 417 addressed that I think is a flaw of the m16 family is the caliber.

lazs

[Toad]

No, this wasn't an HK.

This was an American guy that built custom cycles and got into "fixing" his AR.

The program mentioned that his guns are popular with our Special Ops guys and may get the nod for the whole Army, IIRC.

Wish I could remember his company name.

[blkmgc]

Have a pair of Colts myself. Fun to plink with...just havent found any other use for them really.

[Charon]

No, this wasn't an HK.

That HK upper solution (416?) looks pretty neat though. Sounds like the same approach. Be nicer in a 6.5 or 6.8, but logistically and cost wise that will have to wait until the AR platform upper and SAW are entirely out of the inventory, I would imagine.

Charon

[Charon]

BTW, just got the "order received" on my $500 Inland M1 Carbine from CMP. Mailed it on April 1st (by which time 4000 people who timed there mailings to arrive on the 1st were already in the hopper). Order arrived on the 5th just received my 1st processing e-mail confirmation yesterday. 10,000 or so inlands sold out by April 18th. Should get it by the end of the month.

Some of these are looking REALLY good... Mine will probably be a tomato stake  

http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32443
http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32540
http://www.odcmp.org/new_forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=32571

Got tired of waiting on the carbine to work its way through the backlog and separately ordered 5000 rounds of .22LR, an extra 1000 rounds of 30-06 (to go with the 1000 on hand and the other 2000 I ordered with the carbine) and 2000 rounds of commercial carbine ammo from CMP. I officially now have, by media standards, an "arsenal" in my house (though armory would be the most accurate scare the public term).

Charon

[rpm]

If I had to choose an auto, it would be the Kalishnikov.

"AK-47. When you absolutely, positively got to kill every m*****f***** in the room, accept no substitute!!"