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Offline Speed55

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« on: March 18, 2007, 01:11:26 PM »
#1.   I have a socket 478 mobo  with a Prescott 3.2ghz.

I would like to Take out the mobo, with the processor and build a 2nd computer around it for someone. I might get a processor that doesn't run so hot since the person i build it for probably won't clean it as often as i do.

- Other parts i would need?
- Case w/ power supply
- HD.
- Floppy Drive.
- DVD Rom Dive.
- Graphics Card - I have an old ati 9550
- Fans
- Onboard sound

#2  I'm thinking of a 775 socket with an agp slot if possible, so i can use the x850 i have,  and pcie with a Intel Core Duo 6400 for the upgrade.
 
Parts i would need?
- New Mobo.
- New Processor.
- New Memory
- Heat sink? not sure what that is.




#3  How do i go about backing up all the programs and files that i want to keep? I would like to do this anyway.

#4 Can i just install the the new mobo with processor, plug everything back in
and turn the machine on, like when changing memory?
I don't want to lose windows xp, or all the stuff i have on the hard drive.

#5 In all honesty - is there that much of a performance difference in the processors?  Pent 4 3.2ghz  vs Core Duo 6400.

#6 The most i've ever done with a comp is change the power supply, install a graphics card, a sound card, and memory.

Any help will is greatly appreciated.
Even if you can link some sites that might help answer my questions.

Thanks Very Much.
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Offline ramzey

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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2007, 01:43:22 PM »
Usaual E6XXX comes with fan in the box
if you go with AGP, look for ECS motherboard, its accept agp and PC3200 memory as well.
http://shop2.outpost.com/product/4970051?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
i have one , cant complain about it, cheap and works



for combo with e6400 (with heatsink and fan) i payd 198$+tax at fry's

ad4 yes, you can do that, i did when switch to E6400 same way
All what you have to do is set HDU drives as default IDE before you do that
also set graphic mode to standard 800x600 vga

ad5 E6400 is faster
« Last Edit: March 18, 2007, 01:47:42 PM by ramzey »

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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2007, 04:15:37 PM »
If you are upgrading now, and spending any decent amount of money on it, ditch AGP and go PCIe. In the long run you'll just punish yourself for skimping.

As for some of your answers:

3) You back up the files you want. I'm sorry we can't get into detail it changes for every person. Burn CDs, DVDs, or just copy the files onto a different hard drive. Don't lump them into the same directory or you'll never find anything again. It's up to you to create a directory structure that you can understand. Only copy the files that have settings, or things you've worked on. You don't need to back up the program itself, as you will have to reinstall it anyways.

4) No. You will have to reinstall windows, because the motherboard chipset and the CPU are totally different. There are some drivers that are installed when windows installs itself, and these depend on the hardware present at the time. The old drivers may not support your new hardware, and it can run into problems. It's better to reinstall windows with such a major change (usually whenever you change the motherboard)

5) Hell yes! Even the 1.8GHz conroe chip will blow your old P4 3.2GHz out of the water. It's not the gigaherz, it's the underlying chip. Even at slower speeds it's still way better than what you've got, by a mile.

6) Read up on it. Go to webpages. Read the motherboard manual. Check out webpages that describe how to build your own PC. Before I built my first PC the most I'd done was sound cards, vid cards, add-in cards (etc) and memory/HDs etc. I did a lot of reading, checking, looking around. When I did my first it was pretty much without major problems because I researched it before hand.

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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2007, 11:33:15 PM »
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4) No. You will have to reinstall windows, because the motherboard chipset and the CPU are totally different. There are some drivers that are installed when windows installs itself, and these depend on the hardware present at the time. The old drivers may not support your new hardware, and it can run into problems. It's better to reinstall windows with such a major change (usually whenever you change the motherboard)



sorry you are wrong, reinstall in not required!

all what you have to do  is
1. set in control panel HDD driver as standart IDE
2. set  graphic card to standard vga
3. install new motherboard
4. boot up system
5. install drivers from motherboard CD

operation for 15 minutes
i been there and i done that
my system is running after switching from AMD 64 to  Core2 like 6 months
right now, and i have no problem with anything at all


http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1755&page=5
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/install/other/motherboard/winxp.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824125

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« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2007, 12:56:05 AM »
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Originally posted by ramzey
sorry you are wrong, reinstall in not required!

all what you have to do  is
1. set in control panel HDD driver as standart IDE
2. set  graphic card to standard vga
3. install new motherboard
4. boot up system
5. install drivers from motherboard CD

operation for 15 minutes
i been there and i done that
my system is running after switching from AMD 64 to  Core2 like 6 months
right now, and i have no problem with anything at all


http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1755&page=5
http://www.windowsreinstall.com/install/other/motherboard/winxp.htm
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824125



I would like to see benchmarks between a system that has been reformated for the new hardware and one that has carried over an XP installation . I myself reformate at the drop of a dime , even when switching video cards from the same manufacturer .  I would reformat without giving it a thought when doing a new build . Fwiw

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« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2007, 01:00:58 AM »
i've never had any luck with swaping a hd with os into a new or diff pc  .. shure they work but they usually corrupt and crash fairly quick ... and the performance  is never what it is with a fresh install .
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« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2007, 01:37:45 AM »
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I would like to see benchmarks between a system that has been reformated for the new hardware and one that has carried over an XP installation . I myself reformate at the drop of a dime , even when switching video cards from the same manufacturer .  I would reformat without giving it a thought when doing a new build . Fwiw




oh  sure
if you have system junked by 3 years of use, it will be slower then new fresh install.
run it for 2 years and i bet it will be no so fast as new installed OS


Roscoro, my OS installation is like 2 years old now
im on 4th motherboard and 3rd CPU, 3rd graphic card since full OS install
not bad, right?

right now im looking for excuse to install  OS again, but so far i cant find  good one

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« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2007, 07:30:29 AM »
Reformat & reinstall OS yearly whether it needs it or not.

System runs sweeter without all that accumulated garbage choking up the works.

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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2007, 01:46:02 PM »
Thanks for the help guys.

OK i decided to give this computer, as is to the person and build my own.

So here's my parts list.

ASRock 4CoreDual-VSTA LGA 775 VIA PT880 Ultra ATX Intel Motherboard - I can't afford another video card right now, so i'm keeping the x850 - $59.99
Eventually i'll upgrade though.


2GB kit (1GBx2), 240-pin DIMM, DDR2 PC2-4200 memory module - crucial $119

Intel Core 2 Duo E6400 Conroe 2.13GHz 2M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - $218

$400 so far.


Hard drive - I'm not sure how you match one up to the motherboard. I would like 180gb though. - Help Please.

Case - haven't chosen yet, but looking for something simple. Help Please.

PSU - haven't chosen yet either.  - Help Please.

Floppy drive - no idea. - Please Help.

I have a spare DVD burner drive, and a CD burner drive.
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