Isn't 109G-6 suppose to be an improvement over 109G-2 in performance?

[1K3]

Yeah, isn't 109G-6 suppose to be an improvement over 109G-2 in performance?    109G-2 may be slightly faster in speed and climb vs the 109G-6, but the early DB-605A's wep for 109G-2 was just limited to 2 or 5 minutes, while the 109G-6's DB-605 was cleared for 10 minutes.

[Porta]

The "early" DB 605 A wasn't cleared for Notleistung at all. This includes early-to-mid production Bf 109 G-6s.

When the rating was approved, the limit was 3 minutes and to be used only when it was really needed. For example, the operating instructions for DB 605 AS in Bf 109 G of March 1944 notes the following:

"Die Start- und Notleistung ist für den Motor DB 605 AS mit 2800 U/min und 1,42 ata Ladedruck für die Dauer von 3 minuten in allen Höhen freigegeben. Die Notleistung ist jedoch nur dann zu benutzen, wenn sie wirklich erforderlich ist."

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by 1K3
Yeah, isn't 109G-6 suppose to be an improvement over 109G-2 in performance?    109G-2 may be slightly faster in speed and climb vs the 109G-6, but the early DB-605A's wep for 109G-2 was just limited to 2 or 5 minutes, while the 109G-6's DB-605 was cleared for 10 minutes.

The ONLY 109 I'll fly is the F4.   It'll hold it's own with nay of the other 109's.

[gripen]

Well, the G-2 had about the same performance at 1,3ata/2600rpm as the G-6 at 1,42ata/2800rpm.

[LancerVT]

I can remember a similar 109 thread a couple months ago that discussed the performance of 109's relative to each other. I would search it in the database but I have class in 10 minutes.

If my memory serves me right, I believe it was said that the G6 had an improved radio, better/more armor and maybe some other stuff in addition to the upgraded cowl machine guns and better engine(I think it had a better engine, i could be wrong). It was seen as an improvement because the improved radio and armor are things that in real life would have been VERY important to a pilot and very worth having, even if it meant it hurt your aircraft's overall performance a little in the long run.

I'm not sure whether or  not HTC modeled the different armors in the G2 and G6 but that is likely due to the performance decrease of the G6 compared to the G2 due to the added weight, which the engine could not over come. Thus, hurting the G6's climb and top speed @ sea level performance, as well as turning ability.

I apologize if I have misspoke here, and I am not an expert. If I'm wrong someone please correct me. Just trying to recall from memory. I will look up the previous thread in question if I can. Correct knowledge is the main objective here.

[Knegel]

Originally posted by gripen
Well, the G-2 had about the same performance at 1,3ata/2600rpm as the G-6 at 1,42ata/2800rpm.

Hi,

thats not entirely true. Only the Vmax was similar, though i saw G6 datas with 1.3ata that display the same Vmax like with 1.42ata(every plane is different). Otherwise the climb with 1.42ata was better but specialy the more heavy G6 did keep more energy at same speed and so it must have had a better dive performence and upzoom performence(more weight/inertia + more power).  
Afaik the FAF pilots dont saw a real different between the 1.3ata G2 and G6(though they mainly had the relative light early G6).

Greetings,

Knegel

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by LancerVT
I can remember a similar 109 thread a couple months ago that discussed the performance of 109's relative to each other. I would search it in the database but I have class in 10 minutes.

If my memory serves me right, I believe it was said that the G6 had an improved radio, better/more armor and maybe some other stuff in addition to the upgraded cowl machine guns and better engine(I think it had a better engine, i could be wrong). It was seen as an improvement because the improved radio and armor are things that in real life would have been VERY important to a pilot and very worth having, even if it meant it hurt your aircraft's overall performance a little in the long run.

This is correct, and those improvements did make a real life difference to the pilots.

In AH, the main advantage the G6 has is the upgrade of its MGs from 8mm to .50 (whatever the German version was).  Because armament on the pre-G14 109s is sort of scanty to begin with, it makes a noticeable difference.  Performance is worse than the G2, as others have said, but not a lot worse.  Once you're used to it, the G6 is really a nice airplane, climbs great, turns reasonably well with proper flap use, pleasantly responsive.

- oldman (real men fly the G6s)

[Treize69]

G6 is the only 109 a man needs.

Just need one with Yellow crosses now...

[Serenity]

Personally, I find more success in the Bf-109 G6 than any other Bf-109, including the G-2 and the K-4. It IS better than the G-2. Its turn rate is slightly worse, but its climb and flat speed is better. (Or so it seems to me. Ive been AH free for a month now despite my best efforts, so I cannot give you any raw data)