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Offline Trell

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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2007, 10:20:14 AM »
I need to work for the City,  Think of all the stuff I could get as a city/Government worker.  Full retirement, Health care, Car allowance.  The UAW has nothing on the government fair wages.

Houses are cheap in Detroit because no one wants to live there,
No one has wanted to live there for 20 years,  Its not because of the UAW or the car companies, It is because the city is run by a bunch of black mayors that do nothing but buy expensive cars for themselves and fly all over the world at the expense of Detroit.

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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2007, 10:37:27 AM »
Well, Shamus, we'll all just have to tighten our belts another notch, right?

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NEW YORK // A bankruptcy judge allowed auto parts supplier Delphi Corp. yesterday to extend an executive bonus program potentially worth more than $60 million a year despite objections by all six of the company's labor unions.

The unions said the bonuses were ill timed, given continuing negotiations over job cuts and new labor contracts. The company projects it will lose $2 billion this year and needs to cut pay and benefits.
 
But Judge Robert D. Drain ruled in favor of the company's request, saying the most important issue was keeping Delphi competitive in compensating executives.


Well, I guess not ALL of us need to tighten our belts... just some of us. Because we're all in this together right? And we need top execs; you surely couldn't afford to lose guys like this:

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Monday, March 27, 2006

Feds put heat on ex-Delphi executives

Prosecutors, SEC press former officials to testify in accounting errors that cost supplier millions.

David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau
 
Federal prosecutors investigating accounting fraud at bankrupt auto supplier Delphi Corp. have notified several former executives they face fraud and conspiracy charges if they don't agree to plead guilty and cooperate.

At least two former Delphi executives have been given until the end of March to decide whether to work with prosecutors from the Justice Department and officials of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, lawyers with direct knowledge of the situation told The Detroit News. The lawyers declined to name the executives.



I see Ford is tightening executive belts as well; times must really be tough all over.

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, March 01, 2007

Ford ups CEO bonus

Mulally gets extra $1M; total reward now at $6M

Bryce G. Hoffman / The Detroit News

Ford Motor Co. said Wednesday its board of directors approved a $6 million stock option bonus -- $1 million more than was previously promised -- for new CEO Alan Mulally.

The board also approved cash payments to other senior executives to compensate them for a bonus program the company is scrapping in favor of a new compensation plan, according to documents filed with Securities and Exchange Commission late Wednesday.

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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2007, 10:40:45 AM »
Even the nice areas in the metro area are taking a major hit.


Our janitors (at GM) made -on average, over 100k per year.  In some cases, 150k.  Ok, a little over priced but at least you would would think they would do a good job. Lol.  Most of the time they are high, drunk ..sometimes they would try and kill each other.


My friend got stabbed in the back with a screw driver by a UAW troll.  My friend was his supervisor and wrote him up for disipline issues.  Well the UAW said he was ill and needed help and if GM fired him they would walk.  He got his job back after 3 months of "therapy".  I would have gone downtown and hired a couple gettho rats to beak his legs..500 bucks was the going rate back then.


I can go on an on (sigh)..........

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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2007, 10:44:49 AM »
Which is why I say the only thing worse than a union is no union.

Hey, remind me...which came first in America... unions or abusive managment?

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« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2007, 10:53:31 AM »
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Build a quality product, and they will come.


Don't worry, ya'll could always sell your souls and build casinos.

BTW, lots of unions here, we do just fine


OMG!!!
 We have 3 casinos downtown now and more building!!!!!!
To bad no one has money to go to them..hehehehe:rofl
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« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2007, 12:33:26 PM »
and what are the rank and file reaping?  ****.....they're worse of than management ...much worse.  average UAW slappy can work fast food if his job dries up, management can always find work.  why? BECAUSE MANAGEMENT IS PAID MARKET VALUE FOR THIER WORK (and they have skills).



Toad,

If you shovel **** for a living then you are a commodity.  Being a commodity is not where you want to be.


Get  a skill.

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« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2007, 12:36:25 PM »
What you miss is that the rank and file are exactly LIKE management.

Management TAUGHT them to be like management.

That's why both sides are greedy and stupid.

Yeah, management always finds another job; there is no end to stupid owners/shareholders.

Some of the biggest losers ruin companies and move on to run others into the ground. And they grant themselves bigger bonuses every time.

Your heroes, not mine...on either side.
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« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2007, 02:14:38 PM »
so you are saying that if management got hold of their salaries that the auto companies would not be in trouble?  that the workers costs is nothing?

the toyota plant in fremont  is a joint GM/toyota venture as I recall or was when it changed over from a strictly GM truck building plant...  As I also recall.... wasn't part of the deal that they remain UAW union?

It would seem that toyota is doing so well that they can afford to subsidise the UAW in at least one plant.

I know former UAW workers...  Hell... I married one from the original GM plant..  I doubt that her "skills" were worth $10 an hour.

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« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2007, 02:35:18 PM »
C'mon Laz.. read it:

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In the follow-up memo, Toyota pointed out that workers at Georgetown and at New United Motor Manufacturing Inc. in Fremont, Calif., which Toyota owns with GM, are the highest-paid autoworkers in the United States.


What that says is that Toyota the non-union Toyota Georgetown plant and the Toyota/GM UAW Fremont plant are are the highest-paid autoworkers in the United States.
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So Toyo Non-Union workers are as highly paid as their UAW compatriots in Fremont. It would seem that toyota is doing so well that they can afford to pay UAW wages in BOTH plants.


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so you are saying that if management got hold of their salaries that the auto companies would not be in trouble? that the workers costs is nothing?


Nope. Didn't say that at all.

Here's what I said: What you miss is that the rank and file are exactly LIKE management. Management TAUGHT them to be like management.That's why both sides are greedy and stupid.

See..it's BOTH sides. Both greedy, stupid sides would rather eat the goose that lays the golden eggs than work together to harvest golden eggs.

I'm sure it's unpopular to point out but some of the best times this country ever experienced were when the US auto industry had execs that cared about their companies rather than themselves, built cars that suited the buying public, paid decent wages to their employees, built employee loyalty by caring for their employees with benefits like health care, retirement and vacations and had union employees that were proud to work for those companies.

This country had a middle class and that made this country a great place to live.

We've lost all that. We have Boardroom Bandits whose only interest is how much they can steal from the company in the short amount of time before thier lack of leadership drives it into bankruptcy and workers who've been taught by the Golden Parchute Corps to grab for all they can before the company goes down for the last time.

Greed and stupidity... the mantra of both management and unions. They're both destroying the middle class.

I ask again: how long will the country survive when the majority of the folks work for minimum wage? What happens to the economy when the average joe can't afford housing, clothing and food for his family despite working two jobs?

A lot of factors tie in to this; the easy availability of cheap, illegal immigrant labor is also destroying the middle class. You can argue all you like about the effects but it's clear they drive wages down. Further, they do not reinvest in this country like regular citizens would. Much of what they earn leaves the country forever. They don't buy new cars up here, they don't buy new houses for each family; those are things the old American middle class did do. Those are things that kept this economy growing.

Tell me what happens when there is no middle class; what happens when there is a very, very small percentage of extremely rich people and an overwhleming percentage of two-worker families that can barely house, feed and clothe themselves. That day isn't here yet but it is most certainly ahead of us at some time unless we figure a way to pay the average joe a living wage.

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« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2007, 03:25:41 PM »
I wonder who's gonna buy all this stuff that Co's sell here in the States when all the average Joes jobs goes offshore ?

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To cut costs and make more money , move some opts offshore , add bigger co pay to health Ins , give just enough raise to cover co pay increase . Rinse repeat , over and over . No net raise for years now , Ins costs up , heat bill up , gas up , cost of travel up .

How do they ( Co's ) figure their gonna sell their stuff to anyway . Who's gonna be left to buy it ?

Ya super rich of very poor , wow , what a great outlook that will be for America .

I see on TV every night the crime that we have now . Ever wonder why crime is so high in high unemployment areas ? Not to mention people blowing their brains out also :(

I really don't see how average young people make it now days . Guess alot live at home . I worked my bellybutton off to send both my girls to college and they are doing very well but most don't or the kids aren't smart enough to do that .

Are they gonna leave anything that pays a living wage for average Joes ?

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« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2007, 03:52:02 PM »
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Tell me what happens when there is no middle class; what happens when there is a very, very small percentage of extremely rich people and an overwhleming percentage of two-worker families that can barely house, feed and clothe themselves.  


well, historically what happens is called a revolution, the govt is deposed, the rich are killed or go to prison or flee the country, then the poor masses take over and start all over again.

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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2007, 04:29:49 PM »
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well, historically what happens is called a revolution, the govt is deposed, the rich are killed or go to prison or flee the country, then the poor masses take over and start all over again.


When the revolution happens, I'll be on the side of the rich people.  I have seen what the poor are capable of.
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« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2007, 05:14:56 PM »
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When the revolution happens, I'll be on the side of the rich people.  I have seen what the poor are capable of.


thats interesting...but with what we are talking about here, wouldn't you think the rich to be the worst of the group.  maybe the reasons for a revolt and the actions taken during the revolt are all caused because of the initial actions of the rich.  So in fact the rich are are capable of much worse, not only can they destroy the lives of many, but ultimately themselves and those that surround them.  just a thought
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« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2007, 05:36:07 PM »
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thats interesting...but with what we are talking about here, wouldn't you think the rich to be the worst of the group.  maybe the reasons for a revolt and the actions taken during the revolt are all caused because of the initial actions of the rich.  So in fact the rich are are capable of much worse, not only can they destroy the lives of many, but ultimately themselves and those that surround them.  just a thought


No, I don't think the rich are the worst of the group.  I think they are the best of all people.

The revolution may be started by the rich, in that they rightly refuse to give up their property to people who haven't earned it.  In the non-revolutionary world, we call that theft.

But in the socialist world, they call it justice.
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« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2007, 05:52:03 PM »
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well, historically what happens is called a revolution, the govt is deposed, the rich are killed or go to prison or flee the country, then the poor masses take over and start all over again.
and they lived happily ever after.  the rich I mean.  with cuba as the example we rich cubans emigrated to the US and became rich again and we lived happily ever after.  furthermore we (most immigrant groups who have found refuge on these shores) are grateful, loyal, industrious, patriotic and engaged citizens.  we are a great part of what makes the United States great.