Author Topic: So, Sherman VC Firefly.... (Read 6532 times)

Karnak · « **on:** March 21, 2007, 05:00:59 PM »

Looks like we are getting a very up gunned Sherman. Should be interesting to see how nasty guns and weakish armor does in the mud crawler's world.

Bronk · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:39:45 PM »

Should keep tigers on there toes.

Bronk

hubsonfire · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:41:00 PM »

Is there a good sight for info on the 17pounder? Did a quick google, but didn't see much other than Wiki or modelling sites.

Airscrew · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:42:42 PM »

closest thing I found so far today. still looking

http://www.bayonetstrength.150m.com/Weapons/antitankguns/infantry_anti_tank_guns.htm

Airscrew · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:45:31 PM »

http://www.dyerlabs.com/guns_and_ammo/artillery.html

http://miniatures.de/html/pzgr/shelltypes.html

A.P.C.B.C. - Armour Piercing Capped Ballistic Capped
An American shell type designed to improve accuracy, range, and penetration of the standard A.P.C. shell. In addition to the blunt armour-piercing cap, this shell had a second cap which was streamlined, and which improved the ballistic performance of the shell. The solid shot core punched through both caps on impact. Performance against homogeneous armour was greater than that of A.P. shells. US 76 mm L.53 anti-tank guns and tank destroyers equipped with A.P.C.B.C. shells had an increased chance of knocking out Tiger I and Panther tanks. It also enabled the British 17 Pdr. 76.2 mm L.60 to penetrate the frontal armour of the Königstiger at 500 metres.

Airscrew · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:49:56 PM »

this might have something interesting.

http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/tiger1.htm

It has pentration tables Tiger I vs other tanks.

I'd read more but I gotta get to the bowling alley.

Krusty · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:03:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Airscrew
I'd read more but I gotta get to the bowling alley.

lmbo

Looking at your avatar I can just picture it...

"What about you? You have anything else you'd rather be doing than marching up and down the square?"

"I've got to go bowling"

"Right then, off with ye!"

Squire · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:03:55 PM »

APCBC was only its regular AP ammo issue.

APDS (Armor Peircing Discarding Sabot) was a British designed tungsten core round issued to Firefly tanks for the 17 Pdr. It could do @220mm of armor at 2000 yards. Wether we see any for the AH version, who knows.

The US Army used HVAP (High Velocity Armor Peircing) in their 76mm armed Shermans (different gun, and not Firefly tanks), it was a form of APCR ammo, but not as good as APDS.

The US Army also developed a special HVAP shell for the 90mm gun on the Pershing tank later in the war.

In both cases, the ammo was issued in addition to regular APCBC, so they had both, with the special ammo being in more limited quantity. So you would have say, 6 rounds of APDS or HVAP (US 76 mm or British Firefly Sherman), then 30 rnds of APCBC, with HE and smoke as well.

HVAP was never issued to the British (or Canadian) armies in NW Europe and the US Army never used the British APDS in their tanks.

McDeath · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:06:01 PM »

Bowling for Dollars???

insert interesting link here...

edit: wow you peeps are fast
<<< points at Krusty and others

Dichotomy · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:37:45 PM »

"Well, yeah, man, you see, like, all the tanks we come up against are bigger and better than ours, so all we can hope to do is, like, scare 'em away, y'know. This gun is an ordinary 76mm but we add this piece of pipe onto it, and the Krauts think, like, maybe it's a 90mm. We got our own ammunition, it's filled with paint. When we fire it, it makes pretty pictures, scares the hell outta people! And we have a loudspeaker, when we go into battle we play music, very loud. It kind of... calms us down. "

Citabria · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2007, 07:40:10 PM »

I love that movie

BaDkaRmA158Th · « **Reply #11 on:** March 21, 2007, 09:21:11 PM »

Whats the name of that movie, unfortunitly only saw it once.
i too enjoyed it,thank you.

E25280 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 21, 2007, 09:23:29 PM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Whats the name of that movie, unfortunitly only saw it once.
i too enjoyed it,thank you.

Kelly's Heros, I believe.

Husky01 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 21, 2007, 09:23:46 PM »

Aaaaaa that movie was awesome so funny!:rofl

Rino · « **Reply #14 on:** March 21, 2007, 09:25:04 PM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
Whats the name of that movie, unfortunitly only saw it once.
i too enjoyed it,thank you.

Kelly's Heros