Piracy, DRM, and Mini D

[Vulcan]

Mini D interesting article for you to read here: http://consumerist.com/consumer/drm/how-i-became-a-music-pirate-245644.php

It re-affirms my position that the more DRM the music and movie industries throw at us the more they drive average jane/joe's to become 'pirates'.

[Mini D]

LOL!

Yeppers... there was no piracy before DRM, only because of it. DRM wasn't addressing anything, it only caused piracy.

When was napster created and when was DRM for MP3's created?

[Mini D]

Let me give you a testimonial:

I really wanted these songs, but I didn't want to buy them. So, I downloaded them for free.

-Millions of other people

[cav58d]

I bet most of these musicians and rappers were really anal at the start of their career over free air time right?

[LePaul]

I'm sure instruments, recording studios and mixing is free, right?

If they want to give a song or two for free, they should have the right to control their intellectual property.

I mean would Vulcan want his flight sim to be...oh wait, nevermind.

[cav58d]

brb....Gonna download every metallica song ever released on limewire....

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Mini D interesting article for you to read here: http://consumerist.com/consumer/drm/how-i-became-a-music-pirate-245644.php

It re-affirms my position that the more DRM the music and movie industries throw at us the more they drive average jane/joe's to become 'pirates'.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Mini D interesting article for you to read here: http://consumerist.com/consumer/drm/how-i-became-a-music-pirate-245644.php

It re-affirms my position that the more DRM the music and movie industries throw at us the more they drive average jane/joe's to become 'pirates'.

Dress it up anyway you like, your still a theif if you download music you didn't pay for.

[moot]

The RIAA isn't immaculate in its methods either, is it?

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by GtoRA2
Dress it up anyway you like, your still a theif if you download music you didn't pay for.

And? So what? What is your point and how is that relevant to the statement I posted.

You can jump up and down scream "but you're stealing!" all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that as the RIAA moves towards more and more restrictive licensing models they will encourage people to source their music (and movies) illegally. (btw, fyi, it is not stealing, it is copyright infringement which is a licensing issue - not theft).

The problem has gone beyond the legitimising argument (ie piracy (copyright infringement) being justified by the illegal acts of the RIAA and its failure to provide content in form the market is demanding).

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Mini D
LOL!

Yeppers... there was no piracy before DRM, only because of it. DRM wasn't addressing anything, it only caused piracy.

When was napster created and when was DRM for MP3's created?

Well Mini D when MP3's first appeared, what 10 years ago, piracy was minimal except for the back door factory stuff (which still occurs regardless).  For many years formats such as MP3 lived only in the realms of geeks. The average public weren't that interested. Then Mp3 players started appearing, for a while they were a niche product as well.

If the RIAA had delivered music digitally, economically, and fairly, its fairly safe to say it would not have encouraged piracy as much as the route they did take.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Ripsnort

Rippy, in another thread about this I pointed out too Mini D that in our office the receptionist exchanges movies, tv programs, and music with the courier/delivery guy. My point was that piracy has become an accepted 'crime' in the eyes of joe public. What would happen to the courts in the USA if every person who ever licensed or possesed an unlicensed sound track, tv show or movie was prosecuted?

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by moot
The RIAA isn't immaculate in its methods either, is it?

Then dont use their product.

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Vulcan
And? So what? What is your point and how is that relevant to the statement I posted.

You can jump up and down scream "but you're stealing!" all you like, but it doesn't change the fact that as the RIAA moves towards more and more restrictive licensing models they will encourage people to source their music (and movies) illegally. (btw, fyi, it is not stealing, it is copyright infringement which is a licensing issue - not theft).

The problem has gone beyond the legitimising argument (ie piracy (copyright infringement) being justified by the illegal acts of the RIAA and its failure to provide content in form the market is demanding).

Music is not something you need to live, don't like their policies, dont buy the product.



The rest is just spin.     Just because people do not care if your a theif, doesnt mean your a theif.

[Xasthur]

Downloading music is good and bad.

I've gotten into coutless bands that I never would have if I was not sent one of their songs of albums for free via MP3.

However, I do make a point of buying their **** after I have established that I like them. If they tour here, I go to their shows, buy their merch and buy their releases. (Shows and merch are where all the money for the band is anyway)

So, I'm happy to have people download my band's hard work so long as they buy some of our ****.

The sort of music I play is so niche anyway that downloading isn't really an issue. No one ****ing has the music to download from! haha. It has to be bought online and that's fine, because it's way cheaper.

6 CDs for $66(AUD) delivered within 3 days, anyone? **** yes.