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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2007, 10:29:38 AM »
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nuff said.

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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2007, 10:34:10 AM »
Not like I said I want it now.
I was pointing out the fact there is no reason why it shouldn't be added, at some point.


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« Reply #32 on: March 25, 2007, 12:08:28 PM »
P-63's a little out there, fellas....

In another thread, there's alotta people asking for an obscure aircraft, the Fiat G.55. Very few(130?)were even made before the end of the war, even fewer were in squadron service. So really, that plane's on the bubble as it wasn't very common. This would also apply to the Kingcobra. The mainstream models of the P-39, which saw service in every theatre, would most certainly be a welcome addition, though.

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« Reply #33 on: March 25, 2007, 12:28:40 PM »
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no P-39N saw action in PAC, only P-400 or P-39D.  We can have P-39N for East front but why not P-39Q-30;)



Incorrect. I have photos of 18th FG P-39Ns operating out of Henderson Field as late as July of 1943.

P-39Ns and Qs were in service in the Pacific with the 82nd and 110th Recon Squadrons until June of 1944. They were heavily used for ground support and rarely for recon duties.

P-39Qs were being delivered to front-line squadrons in Italy right up through June of 1944.

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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2007, 12:43:20 PM »
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P-63's a little out there, fellas....

In another thread, there's alotta people asking for an obscure aircraft, the Fiat G.55. Very few(130?)were even made before the end of the war, even fewer were in squadron service. So really, that plane's on the bubble as it wasn't very common. This would also apply to the Kingcobra. The mainstream models of the P-39, which saw service in every theatre, would most certainly be a welcome addition, though.


Some 3300 P-63 were built well over 2000 were sent to Russia.
Squadron strength, I'd say so.
Shot down enemy during WWII, yup.
That qualifies it.
Just not a priority.

Also I'm almost sure Russia  combat tested it in the ETO, before sending it to the far east.

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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2007, 12:58:48 PM »

:confused: is the engine on this plane mounted in the middle? or the engine in the front but the pipes run to the side like that?:confused:

otherwise..its a cool plane
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« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2007, 01:03:30 PM »
Engine is mounted behind the pilot, with the propeller shaft running through the cockpit. :)
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2007, 01:05:38 PM »
weird:eek:
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2007, 01:06:35 PM »



For cannon reference.

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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2007, 01:23:24 PM »
I was thinking it would carry more than 30 rounds.. How different from a Yak9T would a 39 be, in the MAs?
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2007, 01:26:25 PM »
Well, let's see... Yak9T faster, turns way better, accelerates better, has better E retention, has a million times better gun (the Yak's 37mm has a very flat trajectory, the P-39s falls the second it leaves the barrel).


Yak9T will be light years better than the 39 in all categories, IMO. The only thing is that after the 39's spuds run out, it has slightly better MGs than the Yak does.

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« Reply #41 on: March 25, 2007, 01:46:22 PM »
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Well, let's see... Yak9T faster, turns way better, accelerates better, has better E retention, has a million times better gun (the Yak's 37mm has a very flat trajectory, the P-39s falls the second it leaves the barrel).


Yak9T will be light years better than the 39 in all categories, IMO. The only thing is that after the 39's spuds run out, it has slightly better MGs than the Yak does.


Go away I didn't troll your rare Italian ride thread, with disinformation.

Yak T is slower.



How a faster and better climber would accel slower is beyond me.

 

While all the weight of the yak is in the nose, not so with the P-39.
While this does make the P-39 a bit of a handful, It should be more pointable than the yak.

Yes the P-39 cannon is inferior ballistics wise, like the 30mm German guns it make up for it in punch.

It also could use a Dtank or a 500lb bomb. Something the Yak9-T can't do.

Now other than MA use, think SEA.

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« Reply #42 on: March 25, 2007, 01:53:04 PM »
From the vote thread.


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You are sadly misinformed. Try getting your info from someplace other than the history channel.

From Zeno's sight

 Bell P-39Q Airacobra Vital Statistics

Type : Single seat fighter

Powerplant

One 1,200-hp (895-kW) Allison V-1710-83 liquid-cooled 12 cylinder vee piston engine, three blade Curtiss propeller

Performance

Maximum Speed:

386 mph (621km/h) at 9,500ft 92895 m)

Cruising Speed

200 mph (322k/hr)

Initial Climb: 4,000ft (1220m) per minute

Service Ceiling: 36,000ft (10973m)

Range: 650 miles (1945km)


   

Weights:

Empty: 5,610lb (2545 kg)

Max. Take-off: 8,400lb (3810kg)

Dimensions

Span: 34 ft 0 in ft (10.36m)

Length: 30 ft 23 in (9.19m)

Height: 11ft 10 in (3.61m)

Wing Area: 213 sq ft (19.79m2)

Armament

1 37mm canon

2 X 0.5 (12.7mm) Browning machine guns in fuselage

2 X 0.5 (12.7mm) Browning machine guns in optional wing pods

Bomb Load

1 X 500 lb (227 kg) bombs,

The specs are similar to what other sites and books give.

This is a MA AC once mastered. Its best below 15,000ft, just like the eastern front thats where most fights take place.

Now in the SEA setting this thing fills many holes.  US, Russian, ETO, PTO, MED, North Africa.  This little bugger was sent to do dirty jobs every where.


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Edit: Just for comparison a better P40 than we already have.
 Vital Statistics Curtiss P-40N-20 Warhawk

Type : Single seat fighter/bomber

Power plant

One 1,360-hp (1015-kW) Allison V-1710-81 liquid-cooled 12 cylinder vee piston engine

Performance

Maximum Speed:

378 mph (609km/h) at 10,500ft (3210 m)

Climb to 15,000 ft (4590m): 6 min 42 sec

Service Ceiling: 38,000ft (10973m)

Range: 240 miles (386km)

Weights:

Empty: 6000lb (2724 kg)

Max. Take-off: 8,850lb (4018kg)
   
Dimensions

Span: 37 ft 4in ft (11.42m)

Length: 33 ft 4 in (10.2m)

Height: 12ft 4 in (3.77m)

Wing Area: 236sq ft (21.95m2)

Armament

6 X 0.5 (12.7mm) Browning machine guns in wings

Bomb Load

1 X 500 lb (227 kg) bomb
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« Reply #43 on: March 25, 2007, 04:38:11 PM »
Mr. Disinformation (Should I call you Baghdad Bob??) you might want to consider that the Yak9 is 2000+ lbs lighter, with just as many horsepower, and a more streamlined frame. Definitely going to accelerate better. Also, 2000+lbs lighter it's going to turn a hell of a lot better as well.

That 2000+ lbs is only for the P-39D. The 9100lb P-39N weighed 50% more than the Yak9T, at 6500lbs.

The P-39Q weighed 5645 pounds empty, 7600 pounds normal loaded, 8300 pounds maximum loaded. So even on normal conditions it was over 1000 lbs heavier than the max weight of a yak9T.


Also, for your P-39Q numbers:

P-39Q-5-BE was rated at a max speed of 330mph at 5000ft, 357 at 10,000ft, and 375mph at 15,000 feet. So the speed is pretty much identical to the speed curve you posted up to 13,500ft, and only between 13.5k and 15k does the P-39 power curve get higher, then it drops. So maybe I wasn't right by saying faster than all P-39s. It's faster than all but the Qs, and even then it's just as fast up until its power curve drops off. And, let's face it, nobody but nobody is going to fly it above 10k in this game.

Climb to 5000 feet in 2.0 minutes. Climb to 20,000 feet in 8.5 minutes. That's 2500fpm at best, below 5000 feet, and it gets worse above that. No way is it out-climbing the yak.

So before you start b****ing at me and spewing BS in my thread, get your own numbers straight before trying to tear my head off.

Like I said, between the two, the Yak9 is probably better in many categories, including turn and cannon, but that was by no means a negative comment to the addition of this craft in the game. That was a direct-frakking response to somebody's direct question.

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« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2007, 05:03:03 PM »
So... how much more potent than the Yak9T's is a P39 37mm potatoe going to be ?
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