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Offline FrodeMk3

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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2007, 05:50:11 PM »
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Personally, I'd rather have some Marus more than any other ship.


That would be REALLY cool, if they would model the IJN ships with the type 93 Long Lance torps, too.
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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2007, 07:10:25 PM »
Yes! More convoys to shoot up. Woo!
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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2007, 10:46:14 PM »
And add torps to the DE
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« Reply #33 on: March 27, 2007, 12:31:15 AM »
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No, the 18s hit harder.  Just the Yamato's fire control wasn't nearly as good and it's AA wasn't as good.
 


Yamato's 18.1" guns threw more weight than the Iowa's 16"/50 cal guns, but the 16" shells were better designed and offered superior penetration. Basically, it's a wash. In addition, the Iowas were armored with super-hard STS plate, which for a given thickness was superior to the armor of the Yamato. While a bit thinner than the that of the Yamato, the Iowas were just as resistant to penetration. So far, very even.

Thus, with vastly better fire control (radar), the Iowas would almost certainly score first and more often. Therefore, the Yamato would find itself out-gunned by the Iowa. Adding to its woes, the Yamato was 6 knots slower, meaning that the Iowa could dictate the terms of the engagement.

I'm not sure that the Yamato could cope with the South Dakota class either.

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« Reply #34 on: March 27, 2007, 12:43:58 AM »
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I'm not sure that the Yamato could cope with the South Dakota class either.


Or North Carolina class for that matter.  NC and the USS Washington mounted the same guns and Fire Control as the Iowa class.  Not sure about speed and armor, but should be close.
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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2007, 01:45:33 AM »
Sheer size plays a large part too.  The Yamato class simply could take more than those older classes.  The Iowa though....

Well, a lucky hit by either could totally alter the fight.  An 18" shell through the fire control and suddenly Iowa is looking at a much harder situation.  A Kongo class BC did heavy damage to a South Dakota or  North Carolina BB that way.

The Iowa would, of course, have a much better chance at getting that shot.


But the main reason I want the Yamato as a center of a BB task group is to have a non-US task group.  It is still a damn fine ship and a great looking one as well.



Oh, FYI, the South Dakota and North Carolina class ships did not mount the same guns as the Iowa class.  They were 16", but less powerful.  The 16" guns on the Nagato class were a bit more powerful than those on the SD and NC class ships.  The ones on the Iowa were better than those on Nagato.
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« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2007, 02:27:31 AM »
The ONLY differences between the 16"/50 and the 16"/45 were range and muzzle velocity.  The 45's were only 200 ft/s less than the 50's and the range was 5,445 yds. less.  They fired the same shells.  The 18.1" shells of the Yamato class were infierior than that that of the Iowas/NC/SD classes as they were optimized for underwater trajectories.

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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2007, 02:58:27 AM »
Interesting.  Still, he rates the 18.1"s as good as the 16"s, even if only due to sheer size.

And I still think a non-American task group would be a good thing.
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« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2007, 03:23:22 AM »
I find it interesting that the IJN still allocated resouces to these super-BB's even after they had decided the critical importance of CV's over BB's.  Yamamoto was against the building of the Yamato's but there wasn't a whole lot he could do about it.  

If you like WWII naval surface warfare sims check out Fighting Steel.  I've been playing it pretty much non-stop since 2001.  You can get it here..  It's not perfect but it's very good.  The updates they've come up with have all the BB's found in WWII and some that weren't even made such as the Montana's, the Soviet BB's, the 15" Scharnhorsts, and others.  It even has my fave, the Alaska class BC's.
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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2007, 11:58:16 AM »
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Yes! More convoys to shoot up. Woo!


Attacking and defending transport ships was a major consideration in all theaters of the war. Not having the Transports is a real downer in my opinoin. Though I would guess that some game concepts would have to be changed to implement them. I mean, there's not much point in changing from the DDs we currently have if the Transports are going to be hauling it at 30 knots or so :)

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« Reply #40 on: March 27, 2007, 04:55:08 PM »
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If you like WWII naval surface warfare sims check out Fighting Steel.  I've been playing it pretty much non-stop since 2001.  You can get it here..  It's not perfect but it's very good.  The updates they've come up with have all the BB's found in WWII and some that weren't even made such as the Montana's, the Soviet BB's, the 15" Scharnhorsts, and others.  It even has my fave, the Alaska class BC's.



this is Aces High air,ground, and naval battles! therefore should have naval ships
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« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2007, 05:18:00 PM »
Look at her...

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« Reply #42 on: March 27, 2007, 07:18:55 PM »
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Oh, FYI, the South Dakota and North Carolina class ships did not mount the same guns as the Iowa class.  They were 16", but less powerful.  The 16" guns on the Nagato class were a bit more powerful than those on the SD and NC class ships.  The ones on the Iowa were better than those on Nagato.


I am aware that the North Dakotas carried the 16"/45 cal guns. Less max range, but same extremely lethal AP shells. These rounds were virtually impossible to de-cap, meaning that they could penetrate the Yamato's thickest armor at long range. The South Dakotas were armored just about as well as the Iowas. Some experts classify the South Dakotas as pound for pound, the best protected battleships ever constructed. Protection is more than simply armor thickness. Besides, the WWII vintage American BBs carried the best quality armor plate on the planet.

An excellent analysis of battleship armor can be found here.

Scroll down to mid page....

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« Reply #43 on: March 27, 2007, 07:21:49 PM »
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Yamato herself didn't get an opportunity to engage the carriers. IIRC she turned to evade the torpedoes fired by USS Johnston and for some reason withdrew and didn't reenter the fight. It was her cruiser and destroyer escorts that manage to (BRIEFLY) fire on the jeep carriers.


Saxman, go to your local library and borrow a copy of Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors.

You will not be disappointed.

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« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2007, 08:09:51 PM »
Or just watch "Death of the Japanese Navy" when it reruns bi-weekly in the History Channel.
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