...And how would we USE them???

[FrodeMk3]

I hate to start a seperate post on the subject, but alotta people are letting National pride, or what importance to the real war, production, etc. govern their voting on our next airframe. Has anyone thought about what it will mean to the MA's in terms of gameplay?(gameplay being enough of a problem as it is.) Do we introduce aircraft that make it even easier for the Base capture crowd? Do we bring in another cherrypicker? Another furballer? How many of you, had you the oppurtunity to vote on it, would have voted against aircraft we already have in the game??? Would you have voted for the LA-7? The Lanc? The HurriIIC?

     I've heard people say they wish that NONE of those aircraft were in this game, for various reasons. But lots of people still fly them. So, if you're going to vote on the 28th, keep in mind that while many of the candidates have a historical perspective, What we use them for in the MA's might not let them pan out as what you thought. Thank you for your time.

[Hornet33]

Well depending on what MA they are used in also counts for stuff as well.

Take the P-39 for instance. In the LW arenas it will probably be a hanger queen. MW it will probably make a very good middle of the road fighter. EW it will probably have to be perked, but it is an aircraft that can be used in all three. Same with the B-25. EW only has 3 bombers. Bostons, JU88's and perked Lancs. The B-25 would find heavy use there.

[Krusty]

Depending on versions for either, the B-25 and the P-39 probably will be too late to go in the EWA.

[wasq]

For my part, I don't really consider the MA. I rarely fly over 2 hours on any of the MAs any given month.

But I do fly a lot of special events, and I design special events. For my purposes, the Brewster would be ideal. I would get to use my vast library of memoirs of Brewster pilots to create good historical snapshots and run them on every 3rd Thursday.

Yes, I'm selfish. I care not at all about whether the plane gets used in the MA. Why should I care?

[FrodeMk3]

wasq: You're right, we could do craploads of Finn-Russ scenarios. But people burn out on them after awhile.

Talking to people in the MA's, endless mono-theme's are why most don't fly either the AvA or Snapshots.

EDIT: And the biggest problem with adding just the Brewster, is having to use stand-ins for it's opponents(No SB-2's, no I-16's, etc.) If we add the Brewster, we should add the other early soviet planes at the same time.

[68slayr]

I think the G55 should be added to the game.

Here is my rant against the B25 which i have a bad feeling will win:

i think that the B25 should not be added to the game.  I have heard the it was used a lot.....ect ect  They will be hanger queens.  Even if you could up a formation....i think many ppl would up the B26s that we already have.


Some say it would be good against GVs...Ww have the A20 and it is a very able GV killer.


Some ppl say that if it can up from a CV they will pick it.  
1.  if this is the reason you are chosing it i think you are making a mistake.  It will turn into a SBD/TBM/D3A/B5N ....if it went to an enemy base it would be slaughtered...its like attacking in a single B26.  
2.  I would hope HT would make it hard to up from a CV...It was not easy for the pilots that flew in the doolittle mission to get them off the deck.  
3. this bomber doesn't carry that much ord.

[Tango]

I say the HE111. It gives the German set another bomber that can be used in Combat Tour.

[Guppy35]

I see no reason that the P39 would be a hanger queen in latewar.

It was built for low alt where the AH airwar is fought.  It was fast on the deck.  

Folks hear that it was a "dog', but they don't put it into the context of the airwar at the time.  AH is not fought at high alt.  It's a TAC airwar where the 39 could function just fine.

As for the B25, why wouldn't it get used?  In particular if they add the up gunned later versions.  Talk about a flak suppressor.  A trio of 25s racing on the deck across the airfield with 12-14 MGs pointed forward isn't going to cause a fuss?

That and you HAVE to include the potential use for scenarios and special events.

A plane like the A26 while a great performer, was only in use for a very short time at the end of the war.  A B25 covers every theater of the war from beginning to end.  Talk about scenario use potential.  39 covers the same as it was there from beginning to end.

[CAV]

Add planes that are needed for scenario's and events. What happens in the MA's is B.S..... They are just a place to play around till the next event.

If this was Airwarrior we wouldn't evening be having this discussion. It was always about the scenario's there....

CAVALRY

[wasq]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
EDIT: And the biggest problem with adding just the Brewster, is having to use stand-ins for it's opponents(No SB-2's, no I-16's, etc.) If we add the Brewster, we should add the other early soviet planes at the same time.

That's true, we would need a few early Russian planes. What we can do with only the Brewster is basically 1942 onwards scenarios.  The Brewster will be without doubt the slowest plane in the set.

And I do realize that we're in a minority here, but anyway, this is my opinion and I stick to it I think the problem about snapshots for majority of people is not the uniformity and conforming to historical restrictions, it's the attention span. A snapshot takes a while to organize and get everyone in position, it might take 15-30 minutes before any combat happens and that is beyond the length of attention span on some of the people.

[FrodeMk3]

I agree with you, Dan...The '39 was WAY too widespread a plane to not have in here. Also consider that all of HTC's competitor's have one, and you wonder why it's not already in here. The same goes for the B-25, as well.

[hubsonfire]

I would use the B-25 to harass spawncampers and PT boats, and probably blow stuff up occasionally. I would use the P-39 to catch all of the planes that outrun the C Hurri, and to HO them.

[macleod01]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I agree with you, Dan...The '39 was WAY too widespread a plane to not have in here

The HE 111 was also extremely widespread! Dont make the mistake of just pinpointing one or other. If you argue that the 39 was widespread, the the HE was even more so if I remember correctlly. From Russia and Narfica to BoB! From pre war up to when? 42? 43? Id say thats widespread, so if the 39 is needed caus it was Widespread, then the 111 is vital

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Krusty
the P-39 probably will be too late to go in the EWA.

Depending on the years the EWA is supposed to cover.  The P-39 was in the SWP theater at the start of the war for the US, as well as the P-400 varient.  So if 1941-1942 is part of the EWA planetset era then the P-39C and the P-400 are perfect candidates for the EWA.


ack-ack

[Krusty]

Originally posted by wasq
The Brewster will be without doubt the slowest plane in the set.

Ju87

EDIT:

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Depending on the years the EWA is supposed to cover.  The P-39 was in the SWP theater at the start of the war for the US, as well as the P-400 varient.  So if 1941-1942 is part of the EWA planetset era then the P-39C and the P-400 are perfect candidates for the EWA.


ack-ack

True, but seems most folks are asking for 39Ns and 39Qs... That's sort of what I was suggesting. They wouldn't make it into EWA, IMO. MW for sure, though.