Ron Paul for Pres?

[lazs2]

bs.. it would be great it ron paul got the republican nomination... it would make voting for him one of the least distasteful votes I have cast in a few decades.. maybe more.

What are the chances of that?    About the same as me winning the $60 million lottery on a dollar ticket.   maybe a little less.

I can not think how you guys can live with yourself when you vote for a ross perot say.. and let some scum bag sneak in because you voted your consience.

and that is it laser..  you have a simplistic concience.. you don't care what harm you do yourself or others so long as you can sooth it in the short term.   Your vote helps get the worst guy on the ballot elected... It is you who's words are foolish.   or, at least narrow and short sighted.

given your inexperiance in life it is understandable..  How could you know?   Come back when you have a few more scars from battles fought and lost and we can discuss what the lesser of two evils really means.

I think that people who win elections know exactly why they won... that is what the whole expensive machine they hire is doing the whole time... seeing why we vote one way or the other...  

They don't really think they have a mandate but they act as if they do anyway because... they have the power.   They say they do for our benifiet not theirs.. they are gonna act the same no matter what.

A close election that a hillary won would not moderate her in the least for instance....  all the worthless votes cast for ross perot or nader did nothing to move the winner in that direction.

lazs

[moot]

Yep.. Vain is the word, in all its meanings.

[lasersailor184]

I always wondered why the current political system is the way it is with both sides being very corrupt.


Then I just read this thread and see the answer why.

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by lazs2
bs.. it would be great it ron paul got the republican nomination... it would make voting for him one of the least distasteful votes I have cast in a few decades.. maybe more.

What are the chances of that?    About the same as me winning the $60 million lottery on a dollar ticket.   maybe a little less.

if people who agree with RP in principle choose not to vote for him because they figure Ron's not "electable"and instead vote for Guiliani or Thompson (in the primary) then you're right, he doesn't have a chance.  In that scenario, I see the Dem winning due to the anti-war vote.  With RP as the GOP candidate, the Dems won't be able to use the war to steal the votes of the anti-war conservatives.   I think RP can beat the Dem candidate in the general.  We've just got to give him the chance.  I'm even registering as a Rep (UGH!) so I can vote for him in the primary.

and that is it laser..  you have a simplistic concience.. you don't care what harm you do yourself or others so long as you can sooth it in the short term.   Your vote helps get the worst guy on the ballot elected... It is you who's words are foolish.   or, at least narrow and short sighted.

IMHO it's those who think like you that are shortsighted, Lazs.  You're thinking about the next 4 years, I'm worried about the future of this great country.

[lazs2]

bs... I will vote for him in the primary because it does no harm and does send a message to the republican party..

It does no harm because all the republican candidates are interchangeable and all are better than any democrat.

How would allowing another bill klinton for 8 years and then another carter for 8 years help me or "this great country of ours"

Unless you subscribe to the lazer notion that it would drive us to revolution then I would put forth that it is you who are being short sighted not I.

I would rather try to change republicans in powers ideas than to try to change a democrats in power.

lazs

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by lazs2
bs... I will vote for him in the primary because it does no harm and does send a message to the republican party..

It does no harm because all the republican candidates are interchangeable and all are better than any democrat.

I disagree.  It's my opinion that the Rep's and the Dem's are almost equally bad for the future of this country.  One side has us heading towards a police state and the other has us heading towards a nanny state.  Both are bad for freedom.

How would allowing another bill klinton for 8 years and then another carter for 8 years help me or "this great country of ours"

Unless you subscribe to the lazer notion that it would drive us to revolution then I would put forth that it is you who are being short sighted not I.

I would rather try to change republicans in powers ideas than to try to change a democrats in power.

here's my thinking, Lazs...

GOP claims to be the "conservative" party (smaller fedgov, lower taxes, etc...) and accuses Dems of being the "big gov't" party (higher taxes, bigger fedgov, etc...)

GOP voters realize the GOP are hypocrites and are taking us down the same road as the Dems, so enough vote L to enable the Dem to win.

GOP thinks "gee, wonder why our voter base turned against us?  Maybe we should get back to supporting the principles we supposedly stand for."  Next election cycle they realize that if they want to win they've got to change their ways and actually EARN votes instead of simply counting on the anti-dem vote.  Finally, a true conservative who respects the constitution is elected and we all live happily ever after.

Things may continue to worsen during the 4 (8, 12, whatever...) years that the Dems are in, but really, things are getting worse regardless.  The reason I'm so excited about RP running is that I see his candidacy (and potential election) as short-circuiting the cycle I just described.  He could effect a turn-around and get this country headed in the direction we need to be going again without having to suffer thru another Dem POTUS.


That's my story and I'm sticking to it...  

[lazs2]

well then...  we disagree.  The parties are not interchangeable... watch the votes in the senate... watch the judges being appointed... they laws passed.

Things get worse a lot faster when democrats get in.   You want me to let democrats get in.

There is no way that RP could get the nomination much less the pres.   I can't believe that you would even consider that to be a possibility.

I would be better off supporting nader or some commie who would siphon off votes from the democrats than to support RP who will siphon off republican votes.

If the two parties are as you say, equal, then how do you explain that RP's support is almost totally from republicans?

Why isn't he running as a democrat if the parties are interchangeable?   Why has no libertarian ever run as a democrat?

lazs