Author Topic: Say NO to the G.55 (Read 3021 times)

hubsonfire · « **Reply #45 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:07:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Gianlupo
So, I'd say that we have to add to the game a plane that can add something to the MAs, in first place, to CT, then and, in the end, in AvA or SEA. Like it or not, I'm afraid this is the order in which you have to list them.

I think you are entirely incorrect in this. CT isn't finished, isn't really close to release, and I haven't yet seen any official mention of featuring anything other than late ETO. Given that, and the fact that it hasn't made HT a penny yet, I'd have to say that the order would be MAs primarily, then Spec Events, then AvA. CT doesn't even make the list of priorities currently.

Treize69 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:15:20 PM »

Sorry Lupo, no anti-Italian sentiment is meant, just the justification for the plane by saying that the ANR used it. It was an extremely limited run aircraft, hardly used at all, and doesn't really offer anything the C.205 can't already do.

I would kill to get the IAR in game, but I've already resigned myself to the fact that it'll never happen. We already have enough low-number, limited impact planes in the game that almost never see use (like the C.202 and C.205...), just can't justify devoting development time to a future hangar queen that only 5 people will fly more than once or twice a tour.

Got the quote from http://www.ww2wings.com

Gianlupo · « **Reply #47 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:18:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Hub

I think you are entirely incorrect in this. CT isn't finished, isn't really close to release, and I haven't yet seen any official mention of featuring anything other than late ETO. Given that, and the fact that it hasn't made HT a penny yet, I'd have to say that the order would be MAs primarily, then Spec Events, then AvA. CT doesn't even make the list of priorities currently.

Ok, I may even be wrong, but partially, not entirely... the core of the reasoning is that MA is still the main parameter to which you have to relate any new plane added to the game... and that means first of all flying characteristics, then history. So, even with your correction (IF they are valid), my reasoning works the same: I was just using Bodhi's reasoning against him. Don't forget I studied to become a lawyer, after all....

And, btw, late ETO means 15th AF and Italy, too....

CPW · « **Reply #48 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:19:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
What I find amazing is that the aircraft saw 148 produced and delivered. If was such an uber plane, it would have been adopted by the German's no matter what. It wasn't.

I find the total numbers is 274. I don't think the produciton number is problem, the f4u-1c only 175 or 200. N1K2J was 400.

Krusty · « **Reply #49 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:20:32 PM »

Every time I take off in the MA there's a C2 somewhere nearby taking off as well. Almost every fight I go into has at least 1 C2 in the mix, if not more.

C202s were *the* main fighter after they were introduced. With 1500 produced, it outnumbered both the G.50 and C.200 put together (which were its predecssors). Hardly a "limited run" production, considering it serves so well in scenarios including Malta, Italy, North Africa, and.... what the heck was the FSO before this last one? I don't recall much, just that it was in there as well.

Granted I don't see C202s in the MA much, but they see a lot of scenario use. The reverse is true of the 205. Little scenario use, but I see it in the MA every day.

The G.55 wouldn't just be used by "5" people. Every person that flies a C205 or C202 is going to fly it regularly, IMO.

Westy · « **Reply #50 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:24:03 PM »

Thank Cod there's not a large French contingent in AH!!

Lord man. They made some butt ugly doggers and which all had strange names that only Maurice Chevalier could say.

- Westy

(I'd vote for a G.55 in a heart beat)

Gianlupo · « **Reply #51 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:30:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Treize69
Sorry Lupo, no anti-Italian sentiment is meant, just the justification for the plane by saying that the ANR used it. It was an extremely limited run aircraft, hardly used at all, and doesn't really offer anything the C.205 can't already do.

Np, Treize, I know you are a good guy

But, again, I have to object: extremely limited run aircraft...?? no, they were run hard, to consumption! You always have to judge what the plane did in relation to the size of the air force that used it.. they were few, but they fought like devils, till the end, along with their machines. It doesn't really offer anything the C.205 can't already do...?? Sorry, wrong again. External similarities means nothing, they were 2 really different planes, just think about the wing loading (G.55 has a lighter one, meaning more maneuverability) and the wing surface (G.55 has the bigger, meaning better handling and stability at high altitude)... no, it'd offer something different.

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I would kill to get the IAR in game, but I've already resigned myself to the fact that it'll never happen. We already have enough low-number, limited impact planes in the game that almost never see use (like the C.202 and C.205...), just can't justify devoting development time to a future hangar queen that only 5 people will fly more than once or twice a tour.

Treize, never say never... what you're saying is what I thought just a month ago, looking at Target Tobruk... now we're voting for the G.55!

And, sorry for being that picky, but, again, you're wrong about the C.202, it was one of the most widely used fighters for Italy...

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Got the quote from http://www.ww2wings.com

Cc... I think a good book is still the best reading... it doesn't seems to me that website is much accurate on Italy...

MotorOil1 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:35:29 PM »

You can debate the G55 all you want but the P39 is going to win!

Gianlupo · « **Reply #53 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:37:40 PM »

Shut up, you! Debating is funny!

tedrbr · « **Reply #54 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:37:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Tedrbr, Treize, you can't see that the G.55 is a LATE war plane.... Gabrielli started working on it in 1941, it made his first flight on April 30, 1942.
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Sorry, I guess I should have been more clear. It was produced in limited numbers near the end of the war (at least in production terms) for Italy during WWII. The factories and suppliers were shortly put out of commission, then the Armistice. Then there was the time to produce a G.55 compared to a Bf109.

As just over 300 N1K2's were built, and they are all over the arenas, relative numbers don't mean much to me as an addition to the game. IIRC, Osties were pretty limited too.

G.55 would be a sweet ride, and still my second choice behind a perked A-26 Invader. P-39 in Russian skin and Russian plane set takes third.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #55 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:44:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Treize, IT fighters (including the G.55) fought into late 1944, and after that point they fought on with late-model 109s (we used to have a couple of ANR skins, and somebody made a new one recently).

With only around 130 made and the majority of the ANR flew Bf109Gs as the Luftwaffe considered their C.200s, C.202s and C.205 largely obsolete. I really don't see how you can make the argument that the Fiat G.55 was a major player in the MTO air war.

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Gianlupo · « **Reply #56 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:51:59 PM »

Ack Ack, sorry but your statements are incorrect. Please, check the first link in my signature. ANR flew mostly italian planes till the end of 1944, C.205 and G.55: Italian pilots didn't consider these machine obsolete, and they preferred the Centauro to the 109... that's why the production went on even when the Germans tried to stop it a first time, after the April 1944 bombing of FIAT plants...

Tedrbr, Italy fought for all the duration of the war in Europe.. and most of the production of the G.55 was after the Armistice, till september 1944, for another year after the it. And it wasn't stopped because the Italians decided so, but because the Germans imposed that...

Well, it's too late to keep debating... 3 Am here

I'll keep talking with you tomorrow, don't post too much or it'll take me a lot of time to answer to you, gents!

Good night!

humble · « **Reply #57 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:54:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
What I find amazing is that the aircraft saw 148 produced and delivered. If was such an uber plane, it would have been adopted by the German's no matter what. It wasn't.

It was "adopted" by the luftwaffe, the decision was overturned based on both politics and increased production time per plane. I've got no problem with arguements that other planes have a greater historical impact....this is not however history....its a game. 90% of the play is in the LWA's. A large % (including the BK's) fly alot of "2nd tier" planes. The G.55 fits in very nicely and also provides an interesting perspective. The 205 certainly holds up very well and is highly regarded. The G.55 will be even better....

Basically its going to come down to either the G55 or the P-39...

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 28, 2007, 08:10:34 PM »

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As just over 300 N1K2's were built, and they are all over the arenas, relative numbers don't mean much to me as an addition to the game. IIRC, Osties were pretty limited too.

Tedrbr, while there were just over 300 N1K2's, there were about 1,000 of the earlier N1K1's and it's variants, which are very similiar, to add to the tally.

The George was used to try to stem the tide. But, like almost all of the Japanese planeset, It was snowed under by much greater numbers.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #59 on:** March 28, 2007, 08:59:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Gianlupo
Ack Ack, sorry but your statements are incorrect. Please, check the first link in my signature. ANR flew mostly italian planes till the end of 1944, C.205 and G.55: Italian pilots didn't consider these machine obsolete, and they preferred the Centauro to the 109... that's why the production went on even when the Germans tried to stop it a first time, after the April 1944 bombing of FIAT plants...

Tedrbr, Italy fought for all the duration of the war in Europe.. and most of the production of the G.55 was after the Armistice, till september 1944, for another year after the it. And it wasn't stopped because the Italians decided so, but because the Germans imposed that...

Well, it's too late to keep debating... 3 Am here I'll keep talking with you tomorrow, don't post too much or it'll take me a lot of time to answer to you, gents!

Good night!

Only one unit flew the G.55. The other fighter units flew either C.200s, C.202s, or C.205 or flew Bf109Gs. The Germans started to replace the Italian planes with Bf109s and then later decided to disband the ANR which caused a small rebellion amongst the ANR Italians. The Italian Co-Belligerence (sp?) Air Force fought througout the entire war, the ANR did not. It was completely grounded in early 1945 due to lack of fuel and was disbanded.

try using something other than Wikipedia.

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