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Offline Ongurth

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« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2007, 07:37:04 AM »
aye. it would be an honor to fly escort for him in my F4U.

the B25 has my vote.

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« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2007, 07:40:46 AM »
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Yep.  80th Headhunter 38s would happily escort that 25 anytime :)


I'll fly that mission as well. Even if I'm not in the 80th.
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« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2007, 07:46:02 AM »
extra cool pics!
Mosquito VI - twice the spitfire, four times the ENY.

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the almost incomplete and not entirely inaccurate guide to the AH Mosquito.
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« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2007, 08:11:55 AM »
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More the merrier :)

80th 38s flown by Cy Homer and Porky Cragg escorting a 345th BG B25 to Rabaul

I'd love to get a chance to 'fly' that one in my 38G



That's a plane from my father's squadron; horizontal stripes on the vertical stabilizers were a 345th/501st Black Panthers identification.

Nice photo...from Hickey, I believe?

Yeah, if we get it, I'll get him airborne in it somehow. He has a puter up in Nebraska but I don't think it would run AH. I'd have to get him down to KC and he doesn't travel much any more. I think it could be done for that though.

I appreciate all the warm sentiments, gentlemen. I will point him at this thread. He posted here a long while back as "Panther" IIRC. Don't think those posts were saved though; maybe someone archived them.

Also, talking of Gunn, I think he also tried a configuration where about 8 or 12 .30 mgs were racked in the bomb bay of a B-25 and set at a 45 degree angle. These swept across an airfield line abreast ahead of the parafrag bombers to get everyone ducking. I don't think that idea went very far though; they switched to the 50's in the nose.
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« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2007, 09:14:11 AM »
A read a small,excellent book about Pappy Gunn some years ago (about 15 or so). He was an older guy running a small airline out of the Philippines before the war. After Pearl Harbor he was "drafted" into the Air Corp and helped support the evacuation. Unfortunately, that did not extend to his  wife and children, who were interned by the Japanese.

He set out on a crusade to help end the war as quickly as possible. Early on, he did a lot of covert behind the lines flying in and out of the Philippines after the Japanese occupation -- secret agent kind of stuff. Eventually, he came up with the gunship concept informally for 3rd Attack Group and Kenny quickly recognized the potential especially when combined with his invention -- the parafrag.

A very interesting man.

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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2007, 09:20:59 AM »
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BOP mission? :rofl

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2007, 09:36:33 AM »
I would love to participate as well.
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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2007, 09:41:16 AM »
If you up then let me know were you are going :)

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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2007, 09:44:23 AM »
"Hot rodders" hits the nail on the head. We 21st century dudes have a hard time imagining what life was like in the 30s and 40s -- but in short, it was almost like the fates conspired to set up the perfect environment for field modifications.

In the early 20th century, mechinazation and engineering felt every bit as cutting edge as computer technology does for us now. Rapid advances, new inventions, reshaping the world, the whole bit. This is the era that Popular Mechanics magazine was created -- and try to imagine that it sounded like PC MAgazine to them, not like a journal for grease monkeys.

Then toss in the depression. Lots of people living on farms, lots working week to week hand to mouth. Reusing, making do, penny pinching, do it yourself stuff weren't lifestyle choices, they were the only way to survive.

So an entire generation grew up tinkering, modifying, kitbashing. They'd take an old gas engine and rig it to do something else, like run a pully system to get the hay into the loft faster. They'd bang stuff together to make parts into a tool they couldn't afford to buy. And if they did have a little money, they'd be ABLE to mess with the settings on their cars, because they didnt have to worry about fuel injection and computer chips under the hood.

Lastly, consider this -- as  a nation of immigrants, Americans in general had a higher chance of having adventurous, aggressive, risk taking genetic tendencies. Modern science has found that a good portion -- as much as 50% -- of some personality traits can be traced to genes, not to character strength or upbringing. Folks who were optimistic enough, bold enough, risk taking enough to leave everything and start over in the New World tended to have more adventurous personalities than those who stayed home. THAT has a lot to do with the American "can do" attitude, as much as the nature of the  new world itself.

Mix those together -- cutting edge engineering environment, "can do" personalities, a decade of tinkering and mechanical work -- and its a "perfect storm" for field mods, from the gunships to the Normandy hedge cutting Shermans.



'Course, nowadays we're perfectly set up for kids whose thumb dexterity needs to be high...
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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2007, 09:54:41 AM »
Please! Please NOT the B25!

Don't need another US level bomber, what we DO need is an A26 or Me410! :) (well ok "level bomber" is by defination, I know it was used as a low level strafer aswell)

Put my vote on the 410 this first time but I am very split between that and the A26. I definatly don't want a B25 though.

Well, actually, only reason I'd want a B25 is if HTC modell the bombs that can skip on water. Would make for fun anti CV action.

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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2007, 10:05:21 AM »
From my point of view, this is solely as an honor to my father.

What ever plane they choose won't change the game. Most of the choices getting touted will be primarily hangar queens in the MA. They might see some use in special events but the vast majority of the player base doesn't participate.

So the what the game needs approach falls on deaf ears with me. Another airplane is not what the game needs. It doesn't matter what plane or how many planes are added.

What the game needs is people who like to fight in airplanes against other airplanes; sadly, that isn't going to happen.

So, they're just adding planes; might as well be one that I see a good reason to add, even if that reason has nothing to do with the game.
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2007, 01:03:30 PM »
The reality is that AH is a game.  A single plane alone isn't going to add value to this game.

However:

The opportunity to do the right thing by honoring a vet will add value to AH.  If we can honor a man who was willing to lay down his life for our nation by letting him fly that plane in AH, then that's good enough reason for me to vote for the B-25.

Toad, if your dad ever takes to the air in AH, please pm me and let me know.  It would be an honor to fly escort for him in my Corsair.

And what ever happens, tell him that Ongurth says thanks for his service in WWII.


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« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2007, 04:27:14 PM »
Let's get the vote out!

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2007, 04:42:38 PM »
I done voteded on it.

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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2007, 05:30:14 PM »
I believe most (if not all) of us voted for the Mitchell.  We' d also be honored to add to the formation.

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