Do some research and quit saying "IT SUCKS!" without doing a good load of research

[Willfly]

We have all seen how HTC has now released a choice of airplanes that will be voted on. It has triggered some real fierce competition between groups of who can get the most people to support a certain plane. We have seen the G.55, Heinkel 111, and the F2A Brewster Buffalo...more are sure to come.

      It sometimes seems like a yelling contest of who can say "THAT PLANE SUCKS!!!:furious"  the most.

      I dont get it, some of us are lobbying because the amount of kills certain pilots get in some of these planes (As seen in MANY Brewster Buffalo endorsements) or the low number of these certain aircraft (Like how the G.55 manufacturing plants were bombed)

Well, before you get STRAIGHT TO THE CONCLUSION how bout' ya' quit poutin' and see how it happened by doing some research

     For Example, I found out from research that there are several variants of the B-25.
     The F2A Brewster Buffalo had numerous variants including the Finnish variant that proved excellent because of a tiny engine change in only 44 aircraft...which in turn, greatly improved performance. Roughly 5 American squadrons were issued these F2A's without knowing of the Finnish Modifications with great dismay(Found from research)

The G.55 was found from research to be an excellent interceptor for high-altitudes and was quote "Superior to the Me 109 and Fw 190" from Italian Pilots as they switched from from the G.55 to the german designed aircraft as G.55 production decreased due to numerous bombing (Inevitably) Plus its armament of 3x20mm and 2x12.7mm(.50 caliber) was adequate firepower

 To conclude, I am just saying that knowing about the aircraft you support and other aircraft is 'essential.' Simply saying "It sucks" is in all respects...weird... especially if you dont know a good load of imformation about whatever aircraft you are complimenting.

P.S. I do not have any intention of trying to defend any single lobbying thread for a particular aircraft.
P.P.S. As the pesky teacher brat used to say "Do your Research"

[ROC]

Nice effort WillFly, but in this game there are constants.

There will Always be someone arguing something.  Land Grabbers will argue with furballers.  Tanks will argue against fighter town.  Choices about planes will start an argument about What Choice.  No choice and they will argue Foul.

HT would make Far More Money charging per letter on this forum than they Every could on the game.

And the best part to all the arguments is this.  The Majority of the players don't even frequent these boards, the plane that is chosen is going to be for some completely different reason than any argument shown here.  

Oh, and for what it's worth, I voted for the A26 just to tick off the lobbyists, and told the exit pollers I voted for the russion Tu-Tu.  There gonna be demanding a Recount by the time this is over  

[The Fugitive]

I think research SUCKS !!!                                             Sorry had to say that


It doesn't matter, how or why people vote the way they do, whats important is that HTC is pulling everyone into the fold by having "US" decide the next plane. Making everyone feel like we are part of the team.

Research, for what its worth is good. In this case however it can be biased any number of ways. Too many "he said", "they said" type of info out there to get a true picture. On top of that what one guys is looking for " a new hot rod", compared to the other guy, "fast ground leveling equipment", will skew the info as well.

All Im looking for is a new ride to try out !  

[hubsonfire]

The war, as interesting as it is to discuss, was a far cry from AH. What works here wouldn't work there, and what worked there is pretty dull here.

Fly what you like, vote for what you want, and don't worry about all those other clowns. They're hopeless dweebs, and no amount of reasoning or logic will change them or their opinions. Pffft, tools.

[TinmanX]

I just wanna thank HTC for providing me with a "don't care" option.

It's not like I truly don't care, it's just I am still going to be happy with AH2 no matter which airframe is added.

I can't wait until this circus pulls out of town.

[Dichotomy]

Originally posted by ROC
Nice effort WillFly, but in this game there are constants.

There will Always be someone arguing something.  Land Grabbers will argue with furballers.  Tanks will argue against fighter town.  Choices about planes will start an argument about What Choice.  No choice and they will argue Foul.

HT would make Far More Money charging per letter on this forum than they Every could on the game.

And the best part to all the arguments is this.  The Majority of the players don't even frequent these boards, the plane that is chosen is going to be for some completely different reason than any argument shown here.  

Oh, and for what it's worth, I voted for the A26 just to tick off the lobbyists, and told the exit pollers I voted for the russion Tu-Tu.  There gonna be demanding a Recount by the time this is over  

Avatars with sheep, foxes, and anything by hubs should not be allowed in the game or on this board because http://www.wikipedia.com/sheepandfoxavatarsandhubsonfirearemeaniepoopieheads proves I'm right so there

And if you think I'm wrong I'm going to throw a hissy fit and make fun of you in my sig.

[hubsonfire]

Cue the Wikifanboi parade!

[ROC]

Dichotomy

 

[Iron_Cross]

You are right, do your homework before you decide on anything.  Therefore my prediction as to wich plane they will next model is, the P-39.

Bombers will be eliminated, out of hand, simply because there is only a small minority of bomber enthusiasts.  The A-26 might hang on for a while, but as time wears on, the overwhelming majority of "fighter" enthusiasts will also put this one to bed.

The 410, will also be eliminated.  It is a great buff hunter and mud mover, but a dog when faced with actual fighters.

The "mystery" Japanese fighter, a grab bag with a couple of boobie prizes.  Quick analogy; carnivals show you the good stuff you "can" win and you focus on those prizes, but when you do win you get a cheap prettythang piece of dreck from under the counter.  Nobody will take the chance, or should.

Brewster; a fighter, but only a small minority of the AH population clamers for its inclusion. (The Finnish AH community, and I.)  It will fall because of the wholesale obscurity of the plane outside of Finland.

G-55; Excelent fighter, fantastic armament package, NOT AMERICAN.  That will get axed by the American voting majority.

There you have it, the main factors that will see the P-39 in the next release.

[tedrbr]

Nice write up Iron_Cross.

I concur.  The vagueness of the Russian bomber and Japanese fighter selection, as well as no stellar performers there, will kill them off.

The He-410?  How did this get here?  Night fighter, at best, if we had night and plane mounted radar, IIRC.

Buffalo?  Outdated by EW start.

He-111 and B-25 do not stand a chance against fighter masses voting.

Yak 3.  The air superiority fighter compared to the interceptor or ground attack planes..... but, IIRC, lighter fuel load.... which in the War Arena fuel settings would give it VERY short legs.  And ammo load pales in comparison to P-39 and G.55..... I doubt it can carry the vote.  Would be a fun little bird to fly though.

A-26 Invader may last a couple rounds due to B- models' 14 X .50's facing forward and 14 wing mounted 5 inch rocket ord option, but will eventually fall to a fighter.  Too bad.  Buff drivers need another perk ride.  Guess it's back to "bomb-and-bail" tactics.  Don't need the points.   "All your FH's are belong to us!"  Still, I'll press for this plane added.  And if they offered both B and C versions --- which is just a nose configuration -- you could get two planes for effort of one. Level medium penetration bomber/pathfinder and medium close support attack plane.

Oh, and so I don't completely hijack the thread:
Is this enough research into the subject?

Can you imagine A-26's lifting to defend a field along side IL2's when the FH's go down?  Or buff hunting with an Invader? A HO with 14 X .50's?


P-39 and G.55, I'll admit, are the strong contenders.  

If the P-39, it should at least be the Russian bird, with Russian skin, and placed in the Russian plane set.  2nd highest Allied Ace was a Russian flying the Airacobra.  Recognize the Lend Lease Act.  Plane saw more action with Russians than anyone else.  American plane set large enough, and getting Sherman Firefly already anyways.  

G.55 might be a surprise due to that loadout.  1 X 20mm X 250rpg hub cannon, 2 X 20mm X 200 rpg wing mounts, 2 MGs with another 300 rpg.  Reportedly a better flier than any 109 or 190.  Nice bomber interceptor.  Small ord loadout may even give it a ground role with all that cannon fire.  A lot of luffenwobble fans in the community too.  Limited overall production numbers may kill its chances though.


Which brings up a funny point: the plane's effect on The War arguments.  Pure production numbers used to select plane.  It's a game.   Besides, if production numbers were the key, there are about a half dozen TRAINERS that need to be added to the planeset, since that what all the pilots learned on.  How's THAT for an effect on the war effort?
* The Polikarpov U-2/Po-2 Trainer, over 22,000 produced, USSR
* The North American AT-6 Texan/Harvard, over 18,650 produced, used by USA, Canada, Australia, and Japan Single-engined trainer.
* Vultee BT-17/19 Valiant, 11,525 produced, USA Single-engined trainer
* Airspeed Oxford, 7,986 produced, Great Britain Twin-engined trainer & light transport

[JAWS2003]

Originally posted by tedrbr
If the P-39, it should at least be the Russian bird, with Russian skin, and placed in the Russian plane set.  . [/B]

So why not just give them one of their planes?

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by JAWS2003
So why not just give them one of their planes?

Only ones listed were the Pe-2 or Tu-2...... neither of them are going to carry the votes.

[ROC]

I have to dig up some old files off a hard drive on the shelf.  I think in Air Warrior the A-26 was actually classified as an attack fighter, and not a bomber.  That, next to the F6-F was the plane I flew most often.

Totally irrelevant to this game and topic, alternate reality of course.   But, on the level of simply a Fun Plane, that's a good one.

[Wurger]

Originally posted by tedrbr

The He-410?  How did this get here?  Night fighter, at best, if we had night and plane mounted radar, IIRC.

I have seen you call the 410 an He-410 in a couple of places, so wanted to correct your misconception.  It's actually an ME 410, and it was not a nightfighter, nor did it ever have any radar attached to it.  Not sure which nightfighter your thinking of (maybe the He219 - which would be awesome to get in AH btw), but the Me 410 is not it.  The 410 was a redesign of the ill-fated 210, which was itself a replacement for the 110.

[Shuffler]

HT has a secret balot for these.