Do some research and quit saying "IT SUCKS!" without doing a good load of research

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by ROC
I have to dig up some old files off a hard drive on the shelf.  I think in Air Warrior the A-26 was actually classified as an attack fighter, and not a bomber.  That, next to the F6-F was the plane I flew most often.

Totally irrelevant to this game and topic, alternate reality of course.   But, on the level of simply a Fun Plane, that's a good one.

U.S. Army Air Corps listed the mission profiles for the A-26B/C Invader as 'A High performance medium bomber/attack plane (also referred to as (Ground) Attack Fighter, Close Support Attack Fighter, and Light Bomber.'   Would make a good bomber destroyer too.

B model originally designed with 6 different nose gun configurations with 2 to 6 (later8) .50 cal MG's, 1 or 2 - 37mm, and 1 - 75mm cannons.  These could be swapped around in a couple hours.  The nose on the B model and C model could be swapped as well.  Ord could include rockets, drop tanks, 100 lb to 1000 lb bombs, and even 2 torpedoes.   It was a multi-use aircraft intended to (and did after the war) replace the A-20's, B-26's, and B-25's.

A versatile, multi-role, high performance, perk-worthy buff ride.  FUN.

[Dichotomy]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Cue the Wikifanboi parade!

"Dichotomy smells like hot garbage."

[Bodhi]

I personally think that saying "It sucks" about any plane is rediculous.  All WW2 aircraft eventually have a place in game, except maybe unarmed trainers unless they start some sort of flying cadet program.  That said, I also think the aircraft that had the most impact on the war is definitely a huge factor in their inclusion in the game sequentially.  That and that alone is what should be the driving factor in my opinion.

[Hap]

Originally posted by Willfly a yelling contest of who can say "THAT PLANE SUCKS!!!:furious"[/B]

It's a Darwinian thing on these boards.  Survival of the loudest, rudest, and sometimes foulest.

[Hap]

Originally posted by Iron_Cross There you have it, the main factors that will see the P-39 in the next release.

I hope it isn't as cut and dried as all that.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by ROC
I have to dig up some old files off a hard drive on the shelf.  I think in Air Warrior the A-26 was actually classified as an attack fighter, and not a bomber.  That, next to the F6-F was the plane I flew most often.

Totally irrelevant to this game and topic, alternate reality of course.   But, on the level of simply a Fun Plane, that's a good one.

Yep, in AW it was listed as an Attack/Fighter plane.


ack-ack

[LYNX]

Originally posted by Iron_Cross
You are right, do your homework before you decide on anything.  Therefore my prediction as to wich plane they will next model is, the P-39.

Bombers will be eliminated, out of hand, simply because there is only a small minority of bomber enthusiasts.  The A-26 might hang on for a while, but as time wears on, the overwhelming majority of "fighter" enthusiasts will also put this one to bed.

The 410, will also be eliminated.  It is a great buff hunter and mud mover, but a dog when faced with actual fighters.

The "mystery" Japanese fighter, a grab bag with a couple of boobie prizes.  Quick analogy; carnivals show you the good stuff you "can" win and you focus on those prizes, but when you do win you get a cheap prettythang piece of dreck from under the counter.  Nobody will take the chance, or should.

Brewster; a fighter, but only a small minority of the AH population clamers for its inclusion. (The Finnish AH community, and I.)  It will fall because of the wholesale obscurity of the plane outside of Finland.

G-55; Excelent fighter, fantastic armament package, NOT AMERICAN.  That will get axed by the American voting majority.

There you have it, the main factors that will see the P-39 in the next release.

I read the write ups.  Voted for the 111 for scenarios but knowing full well, as explained above, the p39 is the over all vote catcher even though it's out classed by the KI & G55

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Willfly
We have all seen how HTC has now released a choice of airplanes that will be voted on. It has triggered some real fierce competition between groups of who can get the most people to support a certain plane. We have seen the G.55, Heinkel 111, and the F2A Brewster Buffalo...more are sure to come.

      It sometimes seems like a yelling contest of who can say "THAT PLANE SUCKS!!!:furious"  the most.

     

IOn the 5 years I've been here if I've learned nothing I've learned there isnt a singlew plane in the game that "sucks"
Outside of the goon there isnt a single plane n the game that kills cant be had in.

If there is a plane you cant get kills in in here outside of the C47

It isnt the plane that sucks.
Best take a look at the driver

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Iron_Cross
You are right, do your homework before you decide on anything.  Therefore my prediction as to wich plane they will next model is, the P-39.

Bombers will be eliminated, out of hand, simply because there is only a small minority of bomber enthusiasts.  The A-26 might hang on for a while, but as time wears on, the overwhelming majority of "fighter" enthusiasts will also put this one to bed.

The 410, will also be eliminated.  It is a great buff hunter and mud mover, but a dog when faced with actual fighters.

The "mystery" Japanese fighter, a grab bag with a couple of boobie prizes.  Quick analogy; carnivals show you the good stuff you "can" win and you focus on those prizes, but when you do win you get a cheap prettythang piece of dreck from under the counter.  Nobody will take the chance, or should.

Brewster; a fighter, but only a small minority of the AH population clamers for its inclusion. (The Finnish AH community, and I.)  It will fall because of the wholesale obscurity of the plane outside of Finland.

G-55; Excelent fighter, fantastic armament package, NOT AMERICAN.  That will get axed by the American voting majority.

There you have it, the main factors that will see the P-39 in the next release.

Good post. Spot on
I agree 39 ist probably going to win. and I bet by not a small morgin either.

I think they should just put in the 39 outright since its going to win anyway and let us vote for one of the others

Exactly why I'm voting against it is its just another American fighter..
Yes yes I know it was used by the ruskies but it was still an american fighter nonetheless.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Willfly
To conclude, I am just saying that knowing about the aircraft you support and other aircraft is 'essential.' Simply saying "It sucks" is in all respects...weird... especially if you dont know a good load of imformation about whatever aircraft you are complimenting.

P.S. I do not have any intention of trying to defend any single lobbying thread for a particular aircraft.
P.P.S. As the pesky teacher brat used to say "Do your Research"

The IAR 81c is the best plane not in AH.

[Rino]

I was going to say something nasty bout the whaa whaa it's US
crowd, but decided it was pointless.  

      I'm voting for the P-39 for alot of reasons, but mostly because of
Earl Miller, a P-39 driver in North Africa and Italy who later transitioned
to the P-47.  I'd like to see a 350FG skin in AH2

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
.....Exactly why I'm voting against it is its just another American fighter..
Yes yes I know it was used by the ruskies but it was still an american fighter nonetheless.

I push the Invader of course, with the Buff Drivers Need Another Perk Ride Platform.

Final 4 will include P-39, He-111, B-25, and a fourth I can't predict now..... simple name recognition from game players that don't monitor the forums, and not too familiar with those planes before they vote.

P-39 will win.... at which point I'll at least push for it to be put in Russian plane set with Russian skin.  Recognize Lend Lease Program, Russians got far more out of it than Americans did, and shout out to Aleksandr Ivanovich Pokryshkin, the second highest scoring Allied Ace of WWII, who flew P-39's (and later P-63's).

Possible senerios for the P-39 are better on the Eastern Front than Western.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Rino
I was going to say something nasty bout the whaa whaa it's US
crowd, but decided it was pointless.  

      I'm voting for the P-39 for alot of reasons, but mostly because of
Earl Miller, a P-39 driver in North Africa and Italy who later transitioned
to the P-47.  I'd like to see a 350FG skin in AH2

Im an american and I agree. American planes are grossly overrepresented while other areas are underrepresented

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by tedrbr
I push the Invader of course, with the Buff Drivers Need Another Perk Ride Platform.

 

the vader would probably be the one ride that would get me back into bombers.

I wholeheartedly agree the buff drivers need another perk platform.
the 234 is probably the least used plane in the game.
They could unperk it and I bet it still would remain the least used plane in the game. LOL

[-CodyC]

I agree with the fact that America is well represented in all aspects of the game.  Also the allies do tend to have a superiority in all around performance of fighters and bombers.  While i know some can do great things in axis aircraft, allies have the numbers and advantage.  I think the G.55 or a jap aircraft is needed.  Russian bomber?  I guess it would add something to the game.  I see it helping in only scenarios.

G.55 and P39 will get major usage in scenarios and MAs.  The G.55 may not get as much in scenarios but it will at least make an attempt at leveling playing fields for high alt fights.

I personally will not vote for an American plane, we have plenty of representation.

lwcody