I might regret asking this...

[Seagoon]

But I was wondering if anyone else had read this article on Redstate regarding a recent debacle where the local state NRA had attempted to pass a law forcing private employers to let their employees carry guns on the job.

"Attention Wayne LaPierre..."

The attempt apparently pitted conservatives against conservatives in a fight that can only be described as constitutionally confusing at best.

Thoughts?

- SEAGOON

[Xargos]

If it's private property then they have a right to keep you from carrying.  But I also think if a store has a "no carry sign" then they should be liable for all your medical bills if you are attacked in their parking lot going to their store.  When you are at work you are covered under workman's comp.

I also believe there should be a National Carry Permit that no State can deny.

[Dago]

I believe you have it wrong, I believe they want to prevent employers from firing people for having a gun in the trunk of their vehicle on company property.

But, if you got your info from a anti-gun site, they would have purposely exaggarated if not outright lied.

[NOT]

As a resident of Ga., a gun owner, a CCW permit holder, and member of the NRA, this disturbs me. I value my right to own and carry my firearms, and anything that is done to hinder that, well i ain't happy. It looks like a letter to Mr. Wayne is in order.
As far as the issue goes, my employer says "no firearms on the property". Now i dont like that, but my kids gotta eat. State law in Ga says my vehicle is an extension of my home. I understand that they dont want weapons in the building, but i dont agree with the parking lot. As long as it is in my vehicle, it is not their business. IMHO.
The idiot who is gonna come shoot someone doesnt care about rules.






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[NOT]

I believe you have it wrong, I believe they want to prevent employers from firing people for having a gun in the trunk of their vehicle on company property.

Dago, that "was" the original intent.




NOT

[VOR]

Private property and business owners have every right to dictate who can come in and how they can come in. Individuals have every right to go or not to go if they don't like the terms. (Think smoking in bars and restaurants.)

On the other hand, some business owners will fire an employee if they discover a firearm is in the employee's car (and thus on their property). I can get behind someone not wanting an employee packing on the job, but I can't support the idea of firing them because they choose to arm themselves for whatever reason going to and from work and had nowhere else to secure the weapon.

The key points I'm concerned with:

1. Maintaining a property owner or business owner's rights to control their property however they see fit.

2. Maintaining a lawfully armed person's rights coming to and from work, shop, or whatever.

I don't know how to solve the dilemma. I'm sure a few opinions will surface on how to force the issue one way or the other.

[Xargos]

In your car is another story.

The Department of Correction in S.C. tried to tell us employees that we could not keep our personal firearms in our cars while we where at work at the prison.  We put an end to that real quick by going to the State Attorney's Office because the state law allows people to keep guns in their cars in S.C.

Your car is YOUR property regardless of where it's at.

P.S.  Like I said, If they do not want you to carry then they are responsible for your safety and IMO should have to compensate you, or your family, for any lose that may occur.

P.P.S.  Bars are the only place you should not be aloud to have a gun.  I came very close to death when a female friend of mines boyfriend killed a patron at a bar thinking it was me, shot him in the back of the head with a 9mm.  After all these years it still gives me chills thinking about it.

[Shamus]

If a private property owner does not want you to carry a firearm on his property he has that right, just as the government has exercised that on public property.

I rather doubt that if I get attacked at the courthouse or the post office I would be successful in collecting damages because they disallow me to carry.

shamus

[Xargos]

Seagoon, it's good to see you back.

[Hornet33]

How is a buisness owner going to find a gun in your car? Even if your car is parked on their property they have no legal right to search your vehicle there for they will have no knowledge you have a gun in there unless you tell them about it.

The only exception to this I know of is if you work on a federal installation or military base. They do have the right to search any vehicle that enters the property. I don't carry back and forth to work for this very reason. Actually I could but I would have to stop at the security building every morning to check my weapon into the armory and then check it out every afternoon and that's a major hassle. Did it once and decided that it wasn't worth it.

[Seagoon]

Hi Xargos,

Originally posted by Xargos
Seagoon, it's good to see you back.

It's good to be back. I missed the O'Club too much to leave for good. I'd like to get back to flying sometime next week as well.

btw - I'll try to hold back on the patented "Seagoon's Wall O' Text" (tm) for as long as I can... Oh wait, too late, just did and already unintentionally "walled" in another thread. Ah well.

As far as this thread goes, I'm not sure where I fall. I can support the idea that someone should not lose (or gain) Constitutional rights merely because they move onto someone else's property. At the same time, I believe that while businesses should allow for a measure of accomodation, they have the right to set the code they expect employees to voluntarily follow.

For instance, I have a Constitutional Right to Freedom of Religion, a reasonable accomodation of that right would be to allow me to keep a bible on my desk for reading during lunch. But my constitutional right does not mean that my employer should be constrained to allow me to hold worship services in the workplace whenever I feel like it. I also have a right to freedom of speech, a reasonable accomodation might be to allow me to put up a politically theamed calendar in my cubicle, but this does not mean that my employer has to allow me time to write and distribute political manifestos at work.

Now it seems to me that if I have a CCL, permitting me to keep a firearm locked in my car is a reasonable accomodation, but forcing my employer to allow me to carry my beloved S&W .357 on my hip all day, wouldn't be - even though it might make everyone real sweet in business meetings from now on.  

Interestingly enough, I believe that NC is one of the few states were keeping or carrying a firearm into a church is not illegal. I haven't checked the local laws on that score however.

- SEAGOON

[Terror]

Originally posted by Hornet33
How is a buisness owner going to find a gun in your car? Even if your car is parked on their property they have no legal right to search your vehicle there for they will have no knowledge you have a gun in there unless you tell them about it.

The last three jobs I have worked at, it has been a condition of employment that you grant the permission to search your vehicle.  All three of these are major corporations.  All three have the "no weapons on campus" policies.  Which include vehicles in their parking lot.

Terror

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by Seagoon
But I was wondering if anyone else had read this article on Redstate regarding a recent debacle where the local state NRA had attempted to pass a law forcing private employers to let their employees carry guns on the job.

"Attention Wayne LaPierre..."

The attempt apparently pitted conservatives against conservatives in a fight that can only be described as constitutionally confusing at best.

Thoughts?

- SEAGOON

This whole thing is based off of the company of Weyerhauser firing employees who kept cars off property.  Their bosses demanded that they open up their cars to a search, or be fired.  Those that opened their cars and guns were found, they were fired.  Those who refused to open their cars were fired.  Very wrong, but it's also very wrong to try to say what someone can or can't do on private property.  But the employees were off the company property when their cars were searched.


But still, the power lies in the consumer.  And us.

A subsidiary of WeyerHauser called Trusjoist used to come to our major-specific career fair.  I confronted them during a career fair 2 years ago.  They refused to comment / apologize for it.  So I did the only thing I could think of.


I got their tulips kicked out of the career fair.  I directly confronted the person who directed the career fair, and told him that I would stir up so much **** if Trusjoist were to come back.  Add on to that the fact that there's a waiting list that many companies spend years on to get to our career fair, and he made a quick decision to tell them to get the **** out.

They're probably hurting right now.

[Booz]

Redstate??? Is that some neocon published mag that pretends the religious hillbillys really do matter beyond their vote?

 I've honestly never heard of it until now.

[Elfie]

Now it seems to me that if I have a CCL, permitting me to keep a firearm locked in my car is a reasonable accomodation, but forcing my employer to allow me to carry my beloved S&W .357 on my hip all day, wouldn't be

I'm a life member of the NRA and according to the articles in the magazine that I get monthly that is exactly their position. They are also against employees being fired for having a firearm in their locked cars, even if it's on company property.

Good to see you again Andy