Author Topic: New Model Armament Options Q's for Pyro (Read 1985 times)

hubsonfire · « **on:** March 30, 2007, 10:06:15 PM »

I'm curious about the armament options for some of the planes in the voting. I know you love "when" questions, so I won't go there regarding the perked ord setup, but with some of the candidates having fielded wild cannon setups (BK5, 8 x20mms, 75mm howitzers, nucular weponz, etc), would you be willing to comment on what we would see ingame should the 410, B-25, A-26 etc be the chosen plane?

I would think this would have a definite impact on the voting, and while this might cause people to vote more for the weapon than the plane, it would be interesting to know exactly which models we're voting for.

Also, there's been a persistant rumor that none of the uber gunned planes would ever make into the game (Tse Tse mossie whatever, B25 with the cannon, A-26 with the cannon, PK5 on the 410, etc etc), but it seems that there might not be any truth to this. Is this simply a misunderstanding regarding some past conversations, or has there been a change in perspective in Grapevine? Variants like these could certainly add some interesting variables to the game, and also would really compliment the perked ord thingy, which I've heard is coming out in 2 weeks.

Anyways, it seems these questions keep surfacing in the various threads, so I thought I'd start a thread discussing them to keep any relevant information from getting buried.

Thanks in advance for responding with the answers I want to hear.

JAWS2003 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:20:52 PM »

I don't think big guns are a problem. All this big guns we hear people talk about are really heavy and were installed in big heavy twin engine planes.

This are not the planes to wipe out the arena. They are still big heavy sluggish sitting ducks against single engine fighters.

Just looking at a photo of those guns you realize those were big guns. Big guns have really low rate of fire and kick like a mule. You'll probably have to aim again after every shot.
The 75mm cannon on the B-25 was manually loaded so it will have the rate of fire of a panzer.

Bk5 is a 50mm cannon with high muzzle velocity that will have powerful recoil. The Me-410 in itself is not the best plane to wonder around agile single engine fighters even without the huge cannon on board.
This planes won't be deadly enough to mess up the balance of the game, but a lot of people could have a lot of fun playing around with them.

If i'm in the gunsight of a B25 in shooting range he can kill me just as easy with the eight fifty cals, or the Me-410 could just as easy blow me to pieces with six 20mm cannons or 2x20mm+2x30mm cannons.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #2 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:55:34 PM »

Oh, I agree, I don't think those setups are gamebreakers, but I would like to know what we can expect to see in the way of variants, and which ones I'm actually voting for. I would be pleased with just about anything new, yet there are certain models of each type that I simply wouldn't be interested in, and I hope I'm not voting for those inadvertently.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 30, 2007, 11:58:20 PM »

A large cannon like the 75 could do several things, like knock down hangars, take out GV's, one-shot bombers, etc.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2007, 12:10:01 AM »

Many planes currently do the same things, Frode. Any bomber can drop hangars, the Il, Hurri, and Yak can take out GVs, and the yak also does quite a number on bombers.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2007, 01:14:14 AM »

cc, true Furb, but when ord is dropped at a field, A hvy cannon armed B-25 would be used quite a bit until resupply brings the field back up. You see this in the Arena's, someone porks ord at a base, suddenly all the 110G's come out for a counter-offensive.

moot · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2007, 01:23:40 AM »

It definitely would affect my vote..

Stoney74 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2007, 01:30:45 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
cc, true Furb, but when ord is dropped at a field, A hvy cannon armed B-25 would be used quite a bit until resupply brings the field back up. You see this in the Arena's, someone porks ord at a base, suddenly all the 110G's come out for a counter-offensive.

I think given the slow rate of fire, if I'm planning on plinking M3's or LVT's, I'll take the J model strafer vs. the H model with the 75mm.

Furball, I think, at least for planes like the B-25, you're talking about model/version differences vs. a perked ord type setup. You can't put a 75mm in a C model B-25, for example, as it wouldn't be an option. So, again using the B-25, it would depend on how many variants they give us and which ones. At least that's how I look at it. It's not like a F4U-1A vs. F4U-1C kind of deal, so to speak (i.e. take the 6X.50 cal vs. 4X20mm).

Ball · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2007, 04:35:40 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
cc, true Furb, but when ord is dropped at a field, A hvy cannon armed B-25 would be used quite a bit until resupply brings the field back up. You see this in the Arena's, someone porks ord at a base, suddenly all the 110G's come out for a counter-offensive.

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Originally posted by Stoney74
Furball, I think, at least for planes like the B-25, you're talking about model/version differences vs. a perked ord type setup.

he is not Furball

Stoney74 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2007, 08:05:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Ball
he is not Furball

Sorry, wasn't paying attention. I'll blame it on Frode for distracting me...

Bronk · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2007, 08:54:19 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
A large cannon like the 75 could do several things, like knock down hangars, take out GV's, one-shot bombers, etc.

Ok up a panzer and count how many shots needed to drop a hanger.
Just for a comparison it takes 2 rounds just to take out fuel, ammo or troops.
So dropping hangers will be unlikely.

Only gv that need fear is soft gv. Tanks need fear the Il-2/hurri IID more.

While it probably could 1 shot buffs.
Getting to alt and avoiding fighters will make getting into that position difficult.

Bronk

hubsonfire · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2007, 08:57:03 AM »

Yeah, I was just using those two models to illustrate the point. The 410 had a lot of options, and the B-25 had a lot of models, and the difference between a clean 410, and one loaded to the gills with BFGs, or an early B-25 vs the H are dramatic in terms of armament, and presumably would have an impact upon how many people would vote for it.

Bronk · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2007, 08:57:47 AM »

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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
cc, true Furb, but when ord is dropped at a field, A hvy cannon armed B-25 would be used quite a bit until resupply brings the field back up. You see this in the Arena's, someone porks ord at a base, suddenly all the 110G's come out for a counter-offensive.

Lets see up a huge slow target... B-25 or say a yak -t, for m3 hunting?

hmmmm

Bronk

LYNX · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2007, 10:57:49 AM »

from a thread given oh say 2 weeks ago. I tuck it that gun packs were going to be perked. F4's were used in the example 50's to 20 mm's etc. I assume this is a blanket perk across all planes. If this is so one would expect a 75 mm b25 tank buster to actually cost something.

tedrbr · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2007, 12:18:01 PM »

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Originally posted by LYNX
from a thread given oh say 2 weeks ago. I tuck it that gun packs were going to be perked. F4's were used in the example 50's to 20 mm's etc. I assume this is a blanket perk across all planes. If this is so one would expect a 75 mm b25 tank buster to actually cost something.

The 75mm was not a tank buster, it was used in anti-shipping (commercial/transport/supply) operations in the Pacific Theater of Operations. Many later removed the 75mm from the B-25 in place of additional .50's to be mounted (this ironically came out, among other places, from the combat evaluations of the A-26B Block 5's). It was found that a wall of API (Armor Piercing Incendiary) rounds proved better at that kind of mission, and general strafing attacks, than one slow firing 75mm mount did.