Finnish 109g-2 model

[pipz]

Yo Fellaz
 Im starting to work on a 1/48th scale Finnish 109g-2.I was curious about the paint they used.I noticed some seem to use the german 74,75,76 deal.Others use a native forest green and black.It looks like a third type may be an overall green clear down the sides of the aicraft.Ive been digin around a bit but this forum can be one of my best resources at times If anyone has information they can share I would appreciate it.I have been meaning to do a Finn 109g-2 for years.I finaly got a kit and some decals to do it.

Pipz

[Krusty]

We've got a guy who's done the AH 109G-2 skin 3 or 4 times now. He's a mini-master on the subject

You can look his name up from the in-game skins list, and send him a PM/email from the forums here. He's still active on them, last I checke.

[pipz]

Thanks Krusty! Ill have a look.....im on good terms with the Fins.....ill try to find out who theyre operatives are.......

Pipz

[Panzzer]

Hi Pipz,

Kanttori has made the skin in game, you could ask him for references, or Wmaker would be another good choice for information. I'll ask them to drop by in here.

[Krusty]

Much obliged, panzzer!

[pipz]

Thanks Panzzer!Kippis!!!

Pipz

[kanttori]

Here are couple of pictures from my AH-skins and original photos, too. That new skin is not released, but I hope it is coming out soon...

Maj. Eino Luukkanen's MT-201 should be a nice one to do. From that skin picture you can see the correct places and sizes of the Finnish Bf 109 G2's marks and signs on the fuselage and wings:



We have a very few photos from the upper wings of Finnish 109's, so I had to made the wing camouflage using normally German plans.

An old profile-picture, where the camouflage around cockpit is not so correct if you compare it with the original photo:



Here are original photos from this fighter:




Somebody has made model, but my opinion is that colours are a little bit too brown:



German RLM 74,75 and 76 were used with our 109's but as you know how knows exactly those colours nowadays...

Mostly all Finnish 109's were only overpainted with our Finnish signs and the camouflage and other colours were original German. Some fighters got the Finnish camouflage: Dark olive green and black, as you wrote. For ex. this one:



I have also nice Bf 109 G2 black and white plans if you need them:



Tell me what individual G2 you are going to do and I send you high resolution pictures from my books (I have a scanner).

[Charge]

The MT-201 model lacks the small over paint mottling of gray almost totally and it made rather as big areas and I would not use it as a reference. Kanttori's skin is closest to the original as seen in b/w picture, IMO.

I have the 109G6 waiting assembly with the metal detailing set (Eduard) and Finnish markings. I wish I had time to start doing it someday...

-C+

[pipz]

Thanks Kanttori!!!That helps a lot.I have decals for MT-215 and MT-213.215 looks the most interesting at the moment because its close to the skin you made available in AH.I will PM you my email addy so you can send me any pictures you may have.I realy appreciate the help!!!!

 I have another question that no one may be able to answere.When your guys painted over the German markings did they try to match the orignal paint color and pattern or would they just pick up whatever paint color that was on hand and spray over them.I figured people bein people they prolly just picked up whatever grey or green that was laying around and sprayed away with no regard to patterns.Let me know what yaz think.

Thanks for all the input fellaz!
Pipz

[kanttori]

Mt-215 (red 5) delivered 9th of March 1943 to 1/LeLv 34 piloted by SSgt Eino Peltola (10 1/2 victories, KIA). The plane itself scored only 1 aerial victory, because it crashed 29th of July 1943.

Do you mean just this one (this pilot is WO Oiva Tuominen (44 victories):





I have not a colour profile picture from MT-215 and there are only two black and white photos from it (those upper two, the book cover is colored later). But from these individual planes I have more pictures:





There is also the MT-213 from which you are interested... but if it is MT-215, I have those two black and white pictures with a better resolution and I send them to you via e-mail.

P.S. I got your posts!

[kanttori]

This is true: "they prolly just picked up whatever grey or green that was laying around and sprayed away with no regard to patterns."

Because we had a lack of everything on those days. The over paintings of our war aircrafts were clearly shown very often. That's why you can see those German wing crosses dimmy from my skins, too.

[pipz]

UH Oh
 I think I have a problem.the decals I have for MT-215 has the nose number in Black not Red.Also the Fin national marking on the top of the wing is larger than you show.Its the same size as the one on the bottom of the wing.I may have to order different decals.What do you think of this?

Pipz

[kanttori]

The uppper wing's swastikas circuit diameter were at first 75 cm. That scale were used with all the Bf 109 G2's which arrived 1943 to Finland. But Bf 109 G6 swastikas' circuit diameter were 100 cm in the year 1944.

It is impossible that MT-215 has got a bigger signs, because it has removed 5th of October 1943. And MT-215's nose number was really "red 5".

Those scale models decals have often that kind of "bugs"...

[kanttori]

Now I quess it: Red is looking very much as black in the black and white pictures.

Here's a profile picture from where you can see those Finnish signs scales:



I send a better resolution pictures to you just now!

[pipz]

Ok I may have a fix for this.Techmod decals makes a 1/48th scale set of national markings for Finnish planes.It covers the years 1935 to 1943 I believe.There is also a later set for 44-45 if I recall correctly.There are several different size national insignias on the sheet.It also comes with many serial numbers as well.Maybe Ill order that.Ill have a wider variety of planes to choose from and the national insignias are probably correct.I know what you mean about these decals being Buggy at times.It drives me nuts!!!!!!

Pipz