Author Topic: What's better, F4U-1 or la7?  (Read 3396 times)

Offline Mace2004

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1528
      • TrackIR 4.0
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #45 on: April 04, 2007, 11:49:47 AM »
I think the question was which was better, the LA7 or F4U-1, not who was better.  Any attempt to claim one fighter is "better" than the other based on only five engagements is a bit short sighted, as is the claim that "it's the pilot not the plane".

Given equivalent skill, familiarity with the airplanes, and tactics in a 1v1, it is very unusual where one airplane type isn't superior to the other.  It's how the strengths of each match up to the other's weaknesses.  Of course, to really determine this you'd need more than five engagements and, ideally, the pilots would switch planes in order to cancel out small differences in skills.  The best measure of a "stick" is 1v1 similar so it's purely pilot skill vs pilot skill but the best measure of a plane is how successful it is in the assigned mission.  A Typhoon for instance is very well suited to an escort role while a Zeke would be much better for a point-defense mission.  So, which plane is better?  It depends.

Also, there is absolutely no justification for claiming that superior speed is for some reason cancelled out in a 1v1.  Extension/pitchback fights are very common in RL as is the energy fight, both of which allows the faster fighter some advantages over slower, better turning fighters.  For instance an extension/pitchback fight is what an F14 would use against an F18.  Also, maintaining a speed advantage does not result in nothing but HO's unless you're using the speed (i.e., "e") incorrectly.  Yes, in an extension/pitchback fight there is more opportunity for low-aspect forward quarter shots than in a pure knife fight because you tend to have multiple merges but the point is to gain/maintain a higher e-state than your opponent and only the unskilled will rely on one HO after the other.  If that happens it's not a slam against speed or the plane, it's a slam against the pilot.

The real answer to the question of which plane is better is "it depends".  Which plane is better is more relevant to the mission being performed than how a few 1v1's turn out.
Mace
Golden Gryphon Guild Mercenary Force G3-MF

                                                                                          

Offline Husky01

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4844
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #46 on: April 04, 2007, 11:51:16 AM »
:noid

2 weeks!




wait nvm wrong thread.
BearKats
9GIAP VVS RKKA

Offline Viking

  • Personal Non Grata
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2867
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #47 on: April 04, 2007, 11:52:44 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Mace2004
Also, there is absolutely no justification for claiming that superior speed is for some reason cancelled out in a 1v1.  Extension/pitchback fights are very common in RL as is the energy fight, both of which allows the faster fighter some advantages over slower, better turning fighters.


You’re not allowed to extend … it’s called “running” and it is against the RuLeZ! :rolleyes:

Offline SkyRock

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7758
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #48 on: April 04, 2007, 11:55:23 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Viking
Sure no ego lol. In retrospect I shouldn't have been chivalrous and given you 2 out of 3 and played by your “rules”, you’re not worth it. I should have taken my victory and left you whining about “timidness” and “dweebyness”. To have to take all this crap from someone who barely manages a 3 to 1 k/d in the F4U, in a squad even.  So far this tour you’ve managed 16 kills for 4 deaths. Wow, I’m impressed … really puts my 53 kills and 2 deaths in the Bf 110G to shame. You’re all mouth, but got nothing to show for it.
LMAO!  stat boy! You havent learned the simplest of acm's.  All you have, is HO's and running.  If you can't rope the guy, then you run.  I am sure that many of your kills in the MA are gang kils, HO's and cherries/vulches!  You completely flew the la7 all wrong and extremely weak and timid I might add! then you come in here and try to talk like you did something! LMAO ROFL!  You would had never got guns on me had I not been impatient with your timidity!  Take your little 1 kill you got on me in the DA and run with it!  It is all you have, since your skills at acm are lacking.    Given me two out of three is laughable,  You got completely out flown and out classed and undeniably OWNT!  I was trying to be nice for the sake of the argument but when  lamer comes on here and tries to manipulate what really happened/lie about it, then I spare no respect for you!  You are in the same category as Storch in my opinion.  Basically you are a mediocre pilot that manipulates and distorts reality to make yourself feel like you belong on the porch with the big dogs, but you don't!  The TA is open and trainers are available most nights!


Mark

Triton28 - "...his stats suggest he has a healthy combination of suck and sissy!"

Offline Viking

  • Personal Non Grata
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2867
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #49 on: April 04, 2007, 12:06:57 PM »
Lol ego boy take it easy, you’ll strain something. How exactly can one fly timidly in a led-sled like the 110G? Obviously you’re full of yourself and I’m sorry if my killing your oh so superior F4U has shaken the foundations of your petty little ego. Now, you’ll have to excuse me, I have some real life matters to attend to so I’ll leave you to your rambling.

Offline Mace2004

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1528
      • TrackIR 4.0
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #50 on: April 04, 2007, 12:17:32 PM »
It's kind of a shame that we don't have ROD (Rules of Discourse) in AH.  Some get all wrapped around the axle with the personal side of things, maybe they think TOPGUN the movie was a realistic depiction of TOPGUN the Naval Fighter Weapons School.  Unlike the movie, TOPGUN goes out of its way to eliminate the ego even to the point that in a debrief you only talk in third person about what a particular plane did, not what you did.  For instance, instead of "I rolled left and pulled to his six and gunned Jester's loser brains out as he was being dweebish and trying to run from my uberness" it was "the F14 rolled left and pulled giving him a solid tracking shot on the A4".   There is no TOPGUN trophy, no "scores" being kept, no distinguished graduate...just hardcore flying.  Maybe, just maybe, TOPGUN knows the difference between flying and an ego massage.  To bad we'll never figure that out.
Mace
Golden Gryphon Guild Mercenary Force G3-MF

                                                                                          

Offline SkyRock

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7758
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #51 on: April 04, 2007, 12:17:58 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Viking
Lol ego boy take it easy, you’ll strain something. How exactly can one fly timidly in a led-sled like the 110G? Obviously you’re full of yourself and I’m sorry if my killing your oh so superior F4U has shaken the foundations of your petty little ego. Now, you’ll have to excuse me, I have some real life matters to attend to so I’ll leave you to your rambling.
110 pilot that doesn't know acm...........LMAO!!!!!!  HO HO HO funny stuff!  Good luck storc.....errr viking! :aok

Triton28 - "...his stats suggest he has a healthy combination of suck and sissy!"

Offline AKDogg

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2309
      • http://aksquad.net/
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2007, 12:28:19 PM »
lol, this thread is funny. hehehehe.
AKDogg
Arabian knights
#Dogg in AW
http://aksquad.net/

Offline B@tfinkV

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5751
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2007, 01:01:24 PM »
i got 42 killls in two sorties with the NIK2J, both sorties landed. a 20 victories and then a 22 victories.

sounds similar to your 110G kills viking, no? Anyone who gets those stats in a twin engine big fat 110G is not doing it any way but flying 'smart' or as most of us would call it, timid.

you know how i got those huge kill counts?  flying 'timid' for 2 hours in a one hundred plane furball. making a few kills, extending, fuel management, wingmen, running from an unfair fight more and more as my kill count rose, playing my very hardest to survive no matter what. It was alot of fun i have two awesome films.

now, you know what....  those 42 kills for 0 deaths took less skill and ACM work than a little 1 on 1 i had today in the MA, la7 vs hurri2c.

your stats claim in this type of argument mark you as timid, and flying for score, in the eyes of a furballer, and thus proving skyrock pretty much totaly right. your ACMs are not up to standard if you consider your 110G stats to be proof of virtual dogfighting skills.

they are however good proof of your skills in smart flying, wtg.

just a nuetral opinion.
 400 yrds on my tail, right where i want you... [/size]

Offline moot

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 16333
      • http://www.dasmuppets.com
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2007, 04:14:35 PM »
Sounds like a rematch is in order.
Hello ant
running very fast
I squish you

Offline Gatr

  • Copper Member
  • **
  • Posts: 292
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2007, 04:23:13 PM »
To bad we can't sit in the bleachers and watch.... drink beer....and eat popcorn
:(
Gatr

Offline SkyRock

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7758
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2007, 05:19:18 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by moot
Sounds like a rematch is in order.

He wouldn't last 10 seconds after merge if we in the same plane! :aok

Triton28 - "...his stats suggest he has a healthy combination of suck and sissy!"

Offline SkyRock

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 7758
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2007, 05:19:51 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Gatr
To bad we can't sit in the bleachers and watch.... drink beer....and eat popcorn
:(
Gatr

CMeye mode!!!!!!!! :D

Triton28 - "...his stats suggest he has a healthy combination of suck and sissy!"

Offline Widewing

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8801
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2007, 06:15:39 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by Viking
You’re not allowed to extend … it’s called “running” and it is against the RuLeZ! :rolleyes:


You can extend out, build E and reverse. No foul. It's easy enough to determine who is building E and who is running.

The thing about the Zero is that most pilots will immediately reverse as the aircraft pass. To have any chance against a powerful fighter, he must hope that the other guy fights his fight. However, a P-51D or F4U (as examples) would carry much greater speed into the merge. That speed will give them an altitude advantage (and E advantage) from the outset. The Mustang or Corsair will extend about 2k, zoom up several thousand feet above the Zero and control the engagement from there on. From that point it is simply a matter of time before the Zero gets whacked.

A fun duel is perimeter dueling. This usually involves both pilots flying the same fighter. Both take off in opposite directions from a 5k base in the TA dueling map. The fight is on as soon as you clear the end of the runway/cliff. Reverse and go at it. You are not allowed to fly outside the base perimeter. A knife fight in a phone booth.

My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

Widewing

YGBSM. Retired Member of Aces High Trainer Corps, Past President of the DFC, retired from flying as Tredlite.

Offline Ack-Ack

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 25260
      • FlameWarriors
What's better, F4U-1 or la7?
« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2007, 06:50:58 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by FiLtH
Ive always said its the pilot not the plane. And that usually holds true to a point. When you have 2 good pilots, the plane is usually the deciding factor.



Actually in most cases of pilots of equal skill, it's usuall the pilot that makes the first mistake that costs him the fight.


ack-ack
"If Jesus came back as an airplane, he would be a P-38." - WW2 P-38 pilot
Elite Top Aces +1 Mexican Official Squadron Song