Author Topic: If the Flying Tigers flew P-39s, would the Aircobra have a better reputation?  (Read 1253 times)

Offline eskimo2

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Seriously, we think favorably of the P-40 even though it was no match for many of the Japanese planes it fought against.  General Chennault was brilliant and trained his Flying Tigers to take every advantage they could.  The Warhawk is considered a great airplane mostly due to the AVG’s smart tactics.  Aviation buffs are willing to recognize that its weaknesses were mostly due to it being a pre-war early design.  

But what if the Flying Tigers had been supplied with Aircobras instead of Warhawks?   Every version of the P-39 was faster than the fasted P-40 variant.  Would the Aircobra’s 37 mm gun been effective against the bombers that the Flying Tigers regularly attacked?   Would it’s Canon and bomb option been valuable in ground attack?  Was it any less of a plane?

P-40B & P-39D Comparisons:

First Order & Delivery Date:
P-39D  -  9/1940 – 4/41
P-40B  -  9/1940 – 3/41

Maximum Speed:
P-39D  -  368 mph
P-40B  -  352 mph

Speed for Max Endurance
P-39D  -  195 mph
P-40B  -  188 mph

Landing Speed
P-39D  -  82 mph
P-40B  -  72.5

Climb in 1 Minute
P-39D  -  3,750
P-40B  -  2,860

Service Ceiling
P-39D  -  32,100
P-40B  -  32,750

Maximum Range
P-39D  -  1,545 miles
P-40B  -  1,400 miles

Armament
P-39D  -  1 X 37mm Canon, 2 X 50 Cal. mg, 4 X 30 Cal. mg, 1 X 500 lbs bomb
P-40B  -  2 X 50 Cal. mg, 4 X 30 Cal. mg

Offline Puck

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I read somewhere (and given all the reading I do that could be anywhere) that the P-39 was a spiffy little airplane until the penguins at Write-Patterson loaded it full of armor and other bits that made it a dog.  Had they left the design alone it would have been a fast, nimble death trap.

OBVIOUSLY they needed to use transparent aluminum rather than old sections of submarine hull for the armor.
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I read some first hand accounts of the Flying Tigers in action.  One of the pilots said he could barely get his P-40 to climb above 23,000 feet.  

On one particular mission, a flight of P-40s climbed to their maximum height, right around 23,000 feet, while Japanese fighters attacked dummy airplanes on the airfield below.  After the Japanese fighters expended their ammunition and used up their fuel, the P-40s dove down and destroyed them.

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I read some first hand accounts of the Flying Tigers in action.  One of the pilots said he could barely get his P-40 to climb above 23,000 feet.  

On one particular mission, a flight of P-40s climbed to their maximum height, right around 23,000 feet, while Japanese fighters attacked dummy airplanes on the airfield below.  After the Japanese fighters expended their ammunition and used up their fuel, the P-40s dove down and destroyed them.


I can hear the AVG radio now:
“Huh huh huh… Retards!”  
“Yea! Yea!  Retards!”

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Originally posted by eskimo2
Seriously, we think favorably of the P-40 even though it was no match for many of the Japanese planes it fought against.


It's not like the P-40 gets a lot of use in the MAs.  I think everybody knows that the P-40 is a sub par aircraft.

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Who thinks favorably of the P-40?



Its more popularized I agree but most people think its crap.

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The P-39 advanced to the final round. We may well get to find out how it will do in the MA.:)

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P-40 is a dog and the b version is the worst plane in the game.

WTG on the p-39, it will not be used.

Offline Spongebob

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ya it's subpar, but I like it. It isn't as bad as everyone believes. It is actually more fun to fly in the LW arena since in the early war and mid war there are more Zeros and the like in the air, which are it's nemesis - faster AND better turning.

I may make next campain an exclusive P-40 month just to see how "bad" it really is...unless we get the P-39 sooner, in which case I'll be lobbing the BFG shells like I am this camp in the Yak-9T. Yes I know the ballistics on the P-39 cannon are reported to be inferior. Just get in close and fly through the debris :)

To the point of this thread - the P-39 couldn't even stay with a P-40 as far as effective service ceiling. The bombers would have just flown higher than it could go...

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Originally posted by Yippee38
It's not like the P-40 gets a lot of use in the MAs.  I think everybody knows that the P-40 is a sub par aircraft.


I think it’s safe to say that the P-40B is the worst fighter on the menu.  Its poor rate of climb does it in.

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Originally posted by Spongebob
I may make next campain an exclusive P-40 month just to see how "bad" it really is...unless we get the P-39 sooner, in which case I'll be lobbing the BFG shells like I am this camp in the Yak-9T. Yes I know the ballistics on the P-39 cannon are reported to be inferior. Just get in close and fly through the debris :)


Worse ballistics than the Yak-9T?!  I don't believe it!

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Very nice book written by a real P-39 pilot in New Guinea 1942

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# ISBN-10: 0075821257
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Offline Westy

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The P-39 is no slouch. While it's not a Spit or a Mustang it was just fine vs 190's and 109's below 15k in the African & Med. Theatre for the USAAF.


Extract from General Orders No. 86, War Department, Washington, D.C. 8 November 1944;"

"...citation of the following unit... is confirmed... in the name of the President of the United States as public evidence of deserved honor and distinction. The citation reads as follow:"

"The 350th Fighter Group is cited for outstanding performance of duty in action against the enemy in the Mediterranean Theatre of Operations on 6 April 1944. ......Although assigned exclusively to air defense and reconnaissance because its battle-worn and outmoded aircraft were considered dangerously inferior to enemy fighters, this group, realizing that certain primary targets could be effectively covered only by its own airplanes, voluntarily assumed full responsibility for this coverage. Of their own volition and in addition to their designated duties, personnel within the Group converted P-39 Aircraft into fighter bombers......"

".......While flying 10 missions, comprising 75 sorties, on this day the group, in the face of intense antiaircraft fire, destroyed 1 highway bridge and 2 railroad bridges, 2 air warning installation, 1 barracks building and 2 trucks, and inflicted many casualties on enemy personnel and heavy damage on numerous other military buildings and vehicles. Just as one flight of six P-39 dive bombers was completing an attack on enemy communications in the Grosseto-Pisa area, they were intercepted by 10 or more ME-109's and FW-190's. Gallantly ignoring the odds against them, and despite damage to their own aircraft, the P-39 pilots unhesitatingly turned into the larger hostile formation and attacked with such skill and determination that five enemy fighters were shot down, two were damaged and the remainder driven from the battle area. Elsewhere on the same day, elements of the 350th FG maintained vigilant fighter protection throughout their assigned areas, vigorously turning back enemy attacks upon Allied installations along the eastern Coasts of Corsica and Sardinia......"

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P-40 is a dog and the b version is the worst plane in the game.

WTG on the p-39, it will not be used.


The CM Team has been asking for the P39 since 2001.

Trust me.. it WILL be used.
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Originally posted by APDrone
The CM Team has been asking for the P39 since 2001.

Trust me.. it WILL be used.


It just won't win.