Author Topic: Round 5 Exit Poll (Read 3505 times)

Squire · « **Reply #90 on:** April 07, 2007, 09:32:46 PM »

Main reasons the P-39 isnt "popular".

#1 The Russians were the largest user.

#2 The USA wasnt the largest user.

#3 The P-51, P-47, and P-38 were the main fighters the USAAF flew in the war.

#4 The above a/c replaced the P-39, so the P-39 is considered "old".

#5 The AVG didnt fly the P-39.

#6 The most famous USAAF aces didnt score a lot of kills on it.

...and because of that it gets largely forgotten, which in may peoples minds is the same as it being "no good", ect.

No, its not some uber-down-low-super fighter...and it never was, but it was decent enough vs its opposition, especially the later models P-39N/Q. Just because it wont replace the Spit XVI as the MAs most popular dogfighter, doesn't make it a POS.

humble · « **Reply #91 on:** April 07, 2007, 09:33:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
IMO, WW's a bit optomistic. No offense to you WW. I've read up on the P-39 as well, and IMO it just doesn't stack up as you suggest.

Just an opposing opinion.

Krusty you need to read more;)

Gorf · « **Reply #92 on:** April 07, 2007, 09:52:55 PM »

Okay this post is killing me. People are posting like they know all knowing about aircraft because they have this "EXTENSIVE" library. ANd here we have reader quoting from interviews about the P-39 and stating it was a solid airplane. My brothers's wife grandpa flew P-39s for a short time and loved the plane. He stated it had some serious flaws but the pluses and a good pilot made it a solid fighter.

The Russians proved the US wrong about the plane. MOst Russian Aces became Aces in the P-39.

And if I remeber right, the P-39 is the ONLY plane used on all fronts. I could be wrong but I read it somewhere... still looking for the book. MIght of been the P-40.. either way.

If it is brought in.. I hope a Q model is given with Russian scheme and maybe a P400 for early. US and a P39D in US

Love the P-39 and I hope it wins. I also hope the B-25 makes it also someday.

Eitherway.. HTC.. keep up the TOP NOTCH work.. (SALUTE)

Krusty · « **Reply #93 on:** April 07, 2007, 10:06:50 PM »

Gorf, often the pilots that loved the plane give the most glowing of descriptions. Doesn't necessarily change the way the plane was. The Spitfire is and was a VERY highly manuverable plane, more than the 109. The 109 could almost turn with it. However, the 190 was worse than even the 109! Yet, 190 pilots reported they were able to turn with spitfires better than in 109s (and would actually stay and fight instead of running).

Now, that doesn't mean that 190s really can turn with spitfires, even though pilots claimed this.

You have to understand that pilot reports are not the same as controlled tests, and are totally subjective to that pilot reporting them.

Spongebob · « **Reply #94 on:** April 07, 2007, 10:36:37 PM »

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You have to understand that pilot reports are not the same as controlled tests, and are totally subjective to that pilot reporting them.

Hence the importance of the sustained turn data dug up by WideWing

Remember when the P-47N was announced to be OTW & some folks were saying it would need to be perked? It wasn't and it isn't the LW super-plane it was thought to be. Why? It's only uber up where nobody else flies. It's good, but not where we need it to be. Along comes our beloved P-39 and guess what? It will be good for all the reasons the P-47 wasn't (relative to the LW arena). What the Russians liked about it is what we do in all the melee arenas most of the time.

Will it break into the top 5 rides? Probably not. Will it pass the test of time and find a following? yes.

I thought HTC did a good job on the P-47N. It was everything the reference material said it was and I expect more of the same with the P-39.

See you in the weeds!:aok

bj229r · « **Reply #95 on:** April 07, 2007, 10:52:33 PM »

Hopefully the P39 won't ALSO have an eny of @##@$ 5

Krusty · « **Reply #96 on:** April 08, 2007, 12:03:02 AM »

Can anybody read Russian? I've got this chart about the P-39Q-15 top speed but it's all in Russian. A couple of things I'd like to know. I think it points to a Yak9 on one graph, but I don't know what type of Yak9 (the letter looks like a "Y")

You've probably all seen it before so I'll just link it:

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/858_1174864554_vvs_speedchart_p39q-15.jpg

I'm half sure that the two different lines on the 39Q are 95 Oct and 100 Oct fuel, but would like confirmation.

There are also little comments at the base of each line (following each line). What do those say?

straffo · « **Reply #97 on:** April 08, 2007, 03:11:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Can anybody read Russian? I've got this chart about the P-39Q-15 top speed but it's all in Russian. A couple of things I'd like to know. I think it points to a Yak9 on one graph, but I don't know what type of Yak9 (the letter looks like a "Y")

Hint :
How many yak9 do you know use the VK-107 engine?

if you don't have the answer now ,just ask again

BlauK · « **Reply #98 on:** April 08, 2007, 05:49:58 AM »

P-39 would simply fill a much bigger gap in the plane set.

Bronk · « **Reply #99 on:** April 08, 2007, 06:53:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Can anybody read Russian? I've got this chart about the P-39Q-15 top speed but it's all in Russian. A couple of things I'd like to know. I think it points to a Yak9 on one graph, but I don't know what type of Yak9 (the letter looks like a "Y")

You've probably all seen it before so I'll just link it:

I'm half sure that the two different lines on the 39Q are 95 Oct and 100 Oct fuel, but would like confirmation.

There are also little comments at the base of each line (following each line). What do those say?

Up to 15k, pretty much matches this chart.

This From AHT

The speed portion is at mil setting, not wep.

Bronk

eskimo2 · « **Reply #100 on:** April 08, 2007, 07:26:18 AM »

Tally as of Easter Morning:
B-25 = 18 votes
P-39 = 40 votes
Jabber = 52 replies

Edbert · « **Reply #101 on:** April 08, 2007, 08:58:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Now, that doesn't mean that 190s really can turn with spitfires, even though pilots claimed this.

You have to understand that pilot reports are not the same as controlled tests, and are totally subjective to that pilot reporting them.

Krusty, this is how you get yourself in trouble, sometimes it seems you just post stuff that you make up.

There is a well documented (including here on this BBS a few dozen times) test flights of a captured 190A series flown by the RAF in mock combat versus a SpitV in which both pilots determined that the 190 COULD turn with a SpitV. IIRC, it out turned it at high speed and was roughly equal right down to stall speed where the light wingloading of the Spit really shined.

blkmgc · « **Reply #102 on:** April 08, 2007, 09:13:41 AM »

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Originally posted by eskimo2
That's why it's called an exit poll.

No, its just a poll of those who post on the forums. Which is a very small fraction of the players not even representing a small cross section of the true playerbase. For example, i voted the B25. You counted my vote. In acutuality, there are 5-6 others in my group who voted the same, and a number of other folks in a couple other squads I know for a fact who voted the same....who also dont post here.

See what I mean?

It really doesnt matter which makes it in, as long as everyone votes for thier favorite of the optiuons given. Imho, forfiet is silly since most are just doing it for the WaaAAmbulance factor. If the 25 was eliminated a few rounds ago, I'd be voting for something else. Its just a game folks.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #103 on:** April 08, 2007, 09:48:47 AM »

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Originally posted by blkmgc
No, its just a poll of those who post on the forums. Which is a very small fraction of the players not even representing a small cross section of the true playerbase. For example, i voted the B25. You counted my vote. In acutuality, there are 5-6 others in my group who voted the same, and a number of other folks in a couple other squads I know for a fact who voted the same....who also dont post here.

See what I mean?

It really doesnt matter which makes it in, as long as everyone votes for thier favorite of the optiuons given. Imho, forfiet is silly since most are just doing it for the WaaAAmbulance factor. If the 25 was eliminated a few rounds ago, I'd be voting for something else. Its just a game folks.

A poll is a sample. Take a handful of sand from a beach; count 100 grains of tan sand and 200 grains of white sand; that gives you an idea of what the beach sand composition is. It’s not exact, but it gives you a general idea. Take a pinch of sand and get maybe 5 tans and 10 whites and you have a less reliable sample.

This poll is far from reliable, but it indicates that the P-39 will win. Sure, you know of many folks who didn’t vote in the poll but voted for the B-25 in the arena. That doesn’t mean the P-39 doesn’t also have many in the arena voters who also did not participate in the poll. It’s likely that the ratio of voters and BBS posters are somewhat similar.

If we could poll 100 online players that would be a much better and accurate sample. BBS posters are at least a slightly different demographic. Is the demographic difference in this BBS exit poll enough to mislead the real results by 2:1? Quite possibly. Based on this poll, however, the P-39 looks like it is the most likely to win. Like it or not.

If this poll was 32:28, I would only bet that it will be a close match. It still may be.

blkmgc · « **Reply #104 on:** April 08, 2007, 09:59:06 AM »

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Originally posted by eskimo2

This poll is far from reliable, but it indicates that the P-39 will win.

No, it really doesnt. Sorry.