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« Reply #75 on: April 07, 2007, 10:31:10 PM »
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Drunks don't have colors.   They're drunks.

Keep the country safe?!!!!   From what?   Drunks?!!!!!!   Get off of your shoddy soapbox.    If 90% of Americans didn't have such a chitty attitude about the rest of the world, this wouldn't even be an issue.


I didn't say anything about color did I. What are you talking about?  Soapbox?    The guy that killed the girl was an illegal immigrant, that's the whole point of the story. I don't care if he was as white as snow, if your an illegal, you don't belong here.

Being a drunk is a secondary issue. If HE WAS NOT HERE, the girl WOULD BE ALIVE.  

You kind of helped me make my first point though, thanks. The man that was responsible for the death of a young american girl, was an illegal immigrant, regardless of how.

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Oh and if your going to use quotes, please at least quote the whole paragraph.
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« Reply #76 on: April 07, 2007, 10:43:11 PM »
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I know I'm right, and in a few months he'll be right back in the US illegally and doing the same thing all over again. I say try him and put him in prison alien or not. If we go to another country and commit a crime we get thrown in jail. Gee why can't we return the favor in this country?


I agree on that 100%.  Our system failed the first part, but i hope it doesn't fail the second.
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« Reply #77 on: April 07, 2007, 10:46:41 PM »
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I bet so too. If you do a little research you can find out exactly how precise that figure is.


Don't throw that smarmy "do a little research" line at me. You wrote that 26,000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens. That's preposterous. Prove it.

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« Reply #78 on: April 07, 2007, 11:02:56 PM »
Hey!  Maybe we should call California Mexico West? ;)

I'm all for people coming to the US legally.  Let's face it that is how our country was founded.  It is probably one of the reasons our country does well in many areas because of the many attributes of the various ethnic backgrounds.  A diversity that few nations have of this magnitude.  Different thoughts and ideas from different viewpoints and experiences are always very valuable and helpful to all.

However I'm not fond of coming to this country illegaly.  We work hard to pay taxes and other such fees to insure our future in retirement, to pay local, state and federal officials, to maintain our infrastructure and pay our Safety Forces and Public Education.  I would surmise that those who think being in this country illegaly and reaping the benefits that we pay for is fine.  I don't happen to think so.  I believe in paying my way....and I feel that they should pay theirs also.  I as well as many donate to charities of our choice.  Supporting people being in this country illegaly is not one of my charities.  I do not appreciate benefits shrinking due to the payment of people that shouldn't be here.  We educate them and provide services for them when we can hardly afford them.  If they wish to become legal and/or Citizens of the US I would be more then glad to shake their hand and welcome them and insist they get the benefits that citizens of the US deserve.  Other then that.....if you aren't legal, go home please.
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« Reply #79 on: April 07, 2007, 11:04:17 PM »
Here's another 5 gallon can of gas for the fire.....


WASHINGTON – Charged with molesting a 12-year-old girl, Juan Leonardo Qunitero had been deported back to Mexico in 1999 as an illegal alien. Nevertheless, last week, he was back in the U.S., living comfortably in a city that prohibited police from asking anyone about their immigration status.

Rodney Johnson was a 12-year veteran on the Houston police force. Married with five children, he was big, kind-hearted and unafraid of working the toughest gang beats or late-night shifts.

On Thursday, Sept. 21, around 5:30 p.m., he pulled over a white Ford pickup driving 50 mph in a 30 mph zone in what should have been a routine traffic stop. The driver, Quintero, had neither a driver's license nor any other identification so, after a pat down, Johnson handcuffed him and placed him in the back of his patrol car. But Johnson missed the gun in Quintero's waistband. The prisoner pulled it out and fired four times at Johnson at close range.

When Johnson was laid to rest this week after his execution-style murder he joined a growing list of law enforcers gunned down by foreign criminals. Meanwhile, in Florida, a sheriff’s deputy was killed and another shot in the leg yesterday after they pursued a motorist who ran away from a traffic stop.

Deputy Vernon Matthew “Matt” Williams and his K-9 unit were shot dead, officials said. Deputy Doug Speirs was shot in the leg but was expected to recover. Polk County sheriff’s deputies early today said they shot and killed a suspect, described as a black man with a Jamaican accent with dreadlocks.


Though no government agency in the U.S. – not the FBI nor Immigration and Customs Enforcement – tracks violent crimes by illegal aliens, even murders of police officers, a search by WND of news reports in the last three years shows law enforcement personnel are hardly immune to deadly carnage wrought by untracked, undocumented armed predators inside the country.

Less than a year ago, Nov. 12, 2005, Dallas police officer Brian Jackson met the same fate.


It seems Juan Lizcano, an illegal alien who worked as a gardener, had a few too many drinks that Saturday evening before heading to the home of Marta Cruz, according to a witness who accompanied him.

Again, police responded early Sunday morning to a domestic disturbance call at Cruz's home and were told that Lizcano had threatened his ex-girlfriend and fired a handgun inside the house. He was gone by the time officers arrived.

About 45 minutes later, officers were notified that Lizcano had returned to the home. Officers pursued him on foot as the suspect jumped over fences and ran through yards.

Officer Jackson died of a wound to his right underarm, near his protective vest, suffered in a gunfight with Lizcano. He and his wife, JoAnn, a respiratory therapist, had been married less than four months.

In Denver, Raul Gomez-Garcia, another illegal alien charged with shooting two police officers at a crowded party where both the gunmen's wife and 2-year-old daughter were seated, was convicted last week.

Gomez-Garcia, 21, faced trial in Denver District Court for second-degree murder of Denver police officer Donald "Donnie" Young and attempted first-degree murder of Detective Jack Bishop. The two officers were shot in the back May 8, 2005, as they worked security at an invitation-only baptismal party.

The officers had turned Gomez-Garcia away from the party. He returned later, intent on shooting the two officers.


Gomez-Garcia has almost no education, is illiterate and explained to investigators that he had carried a loaded gun since he was 13 years old. He came to the United States when he was 8 and lived in south central Los Angeles.

Perhaps one of the most dramatic stories of a police officer being shot by an illegal alien is the case of shooting Arizona sheriff's deputy Sean Pearce, an 11-year veteran of the force who served a search warrant Dec. 16, 2004, at a Mesa trailer home.

Hiding behind a Christmas tree inside was Jorge Luis Guerra Vargas, a 22-year-old illegal alien who opened fire on Pearce.


Ironically, at the time of the shooting, Pearce's father, Russell, an Arizona legislator, was in Washington giving a speech about illegal immigration at the Brookings Institution when he got the message to call home. His wife, he knew, "wouldn't be calling if it wasn't important. It had to do with the children." Pearce excused himself from the podium and found a phone to hear the tragic news.

An investigation of local news reports found dozens more cases of police officers slain by illegal aliens. They include:


Deputy Brandon Winfield  



Deputy Brandon "Brandy" Winfield, 29, of the Marion County, Ohio, sheriff's department, was murdered Oct. 17, 2004. Winfield was on routine patrol when he stopped to assist what he thought was a stranded motorist. Winfield later was found shot in the head in his vehicle, which had hit a guard rail and flipped into a ravine. Both of those charges in the crime were illegal aliens.

Detective Hugo Arango, 24, of the Doroville, Ga., police department, was murdered May 13, 2000. Arango was shot and killed after having been flagged down by a club patron who indicated that some men had been breaking into cars outside of a nightclub. Detective Arango located three suspects and detained them. As he searched for weapons, Bautista Ramirez, an illegal alien from Mexico, shot Arango four times. The first shot took off one of his fingers, the second went through his thigh. As Arango lay on the ground helpless, Ramirez intentionally fired one round through Arango's badge, and then executed him with a shot to his head that severed his brain stem.

National Park Service ranger Kristopher "Kriss" Eggle, 28, was murdered Aug. 9, 2002. Ranger Eggle was shot and killed in the line of duty at Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument while pursuing members of a drug cartel hit squad which fled into the U.S. after committing a string of murders in Mexico.
Deputy Saul Gallegos


Deputy Saul Gallegos, 35, of the Chelan County, Wash., sheriff's department was murdered June 26, 2003. Gallegos was shot and killed after stopping a vehicle in a routine traffic stop. Jose Sanchez-Guillen, 22, who had been deported three times to Mexico, was found guilty of aggravated first-degree murder.
Deputy Sheriff David March


Deputy Sheriff David March, 33, of the Los Angeles County sheriff's department, was murdered April 29, 2002. March was on routine patrol when he made a traffic stop. The driver, Armando Garcia, shot March in the chest and the head – execution style. Garcia had been deported three times, had a long history of drug charges, violent crimes and weapons charges. The illegal alien from Mexico was already wanted for two attempted murders.

Officer Tony Zeppetella, 27, of the Oceanside, Calif., police department, was murdered June 13, 2003. Zeppetella stopped Adrien George Camacho for a traffic violation. Camacho pulled out a gun and shot the officer. Camacho then pistol-whipped the injured officer before shooting him again, killing him with the officer's own gun. Camacho is an illegal alien and gang member from Mexico with a criminal history that includes five previous felony convictions and several deportations.

A Huntsville, Ala., police officer, Daniel Howard Golden, 27, was shot multiple times by Benito Albarran, 31, an illegal immigrant in August 2005.

While no government agencies specifically track crimes by illegal aliens, there have been some efforts to quantify the loss. Last December, Mac Johnson set out to investigate the number of homicides perpetrated by illegal aliens. Since the federal government would not provide any useful information, he contacted all 50 statehouses. Three months later, he had fewer than a dozen responses. Only one state, Vermont, provided any useful information.

He then set out to statistically estimate the number of murders by illegal aliens based on available crime data and conservative estimates of the actually number of illegal aliens in the country – which, of course, nobody really knows.

He found that between 1,806 and 2,510 people in the U.S. are murdered annually by illegal aliens. If he's right, that would represent between 11 percent and 15 percent of all murders in the U.S.

In one study of a sample 55,000 illegal immigrants serving prison sentences in the U.S., it was discovered that they are responsible for over 400,000 arrests and over 700,000 felony crimes.

According to Heather McDonald of the Manhattan Institute, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens
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« Reply #80 on: April 07, 2007, 11:16:29 PM »
but but shaky, they are just hard working family men who just want the american dream...:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

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« Reply #81 on: April 07, 2007, 11:36:46 PM »
Hajo, what are your thoughts on US citizens who evade taxes?
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« Reply #82 on: April 07, 2007, 11:37:35 PM »
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You wrote that 26,000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens. That's preposterous. Prove it.


Is it?  Just how do you know that it is preposterous?  Where is your evidence?    Seriously though, 26,000 every year does seem very high.

How many would have to die before you thought it to be a serious problem?



Here's some sorrowful info:

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103
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While King reports 12 Americans are murdered daily by illegal aliens, he says 13 are killed by drunk illegal alien drivers – for another annual death toll of 4,745. That's 23,725 since Sept. 11, 2001.


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King also reports eight American children are victims of sexual abuse by illegal aliens every day – a total of 2,920 annually.


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In April 2005, the Government Accountability Office released a report on a study of 55,322 illegal aliens incarcerated in federal, state, and local facilities during 2003. It found the following:

The 55,322 illegal aliens studied represented a total of 459,614 arrests – some eight arrests per illegal alien;
Their arrests represented a total of about 700,000 criminal offenses – some 13 offenses per illegal alien;

 


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While the vast majority of illegal aliens are decent people who work hard and are only trying to make a better life for themselves and their families, (something you or I would probably do if we were in their place),it is also a fact that a disproportionately high percentage of illegal aliens are criminals and sexual predators  


Do you find these numbers acceptable? Should we continue to have open borders?
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« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2007, 11:42:09 PM »
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Don't throw that smarmy "do a little research" line at me. You wrote that 26,000 Americans are killed every year by illegal aliens. That's preposterous. Prove it.


I think he misplaced a comma. Still, according this report more americans are killed by illegal aliens than in Iraq. Where's the outrage demonstrated by those so vehemently opposed to our presence in Iraq?

American killed by illegal aliens

"Illegal aliens are killing more Americans than the Iraq war, says a new report from Family Security Matters that estimates some 2,158 murders are committed every year by illegal aliens in the U.S. The group says that number is more than 15 percent of all the murders reported by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the U.S. and about three times the representation of illegal aliens in the general population."

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« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2007, 12:24:29 AM »
You republicristians gotta get your cards straight. If you want to stop homosexuals from marrying you HAVE to let the illegals in to clean the boss's house and cut his lawn. sheesh.
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« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2007, 12:29:14 AM »
"How many would have to die before you thought it to be a serious problem?" -- Steve

What a ridicuous thing to write. Where do you get off trying to paint me as someone who supports and defends illegal aliens and the crimes they commit? So tell us, Steve, when did you stop beating your wife?

@lukster - Surprisingly, he defended the number in a subsequent post. Like I should do some research...

A blogger somewhere is probably quoting that number and using the O'Club as the source. :eek:
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« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2007, 12:44:00 AM »
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I didn't say anything about color did I. What are you talking about?  Soapbox?    The guy that killed the girl was an illegal immigrant, that's the whole point of the story. I don't care if he was as white as snow, if your an illegal, you don't belong here.

Being a drunk is a secondary issue. If HE WAS NOT HERE, the girl WOULD BE ALIVE.  

You kind of helped me make my first point though, thanks. The man that was responsible for the death of a young american girl, was an illegal immigrant, regardless of how.

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Oh and if your going to use quotes, please at least quote the whole paragraph.


He's an Illegal Mexican right?    Color is implied.    

I GUARANTEE you the family disagrees with you.   If the Illegal WASN'T drunk, nobody would know he was illegal.    Amazing on how the D.C. sniper was an Illegal as well, but you never heard about it.    I love the media, pick and choose, but O'Reilly got pwnd.    He is a tool.      

Didn't need to quote the whole thing.    I never supported any of your points.   I live in a state with the largest unprotected border in the nation.
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« Reply #87 on: April 08, 2007, 08:09:54 AM »
Chairboy....not paying taxes is against the Law....guess that should explain my feelings about that.  Pay your share.  Doesn't matter who.
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« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2007, 08:10:16 AM »
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« Reply #89 on: April 08, 2007, 08:14:59 AM »
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I agree on that 100%.  Our system failed the first part, but i hope it doesn't fail the second.


It will the system will always fail until its fixed. Don't ask me how to fix it cause nobody wants to hear my answer.