Next time we vote

[Ghosth]

How about 3 planes next time?

Just like you did this one, only settle for 3  rounds. By then it should be apparent where the interest lies.

1 fighter out of say 8
1 bomber
1 GV

That we we don't have fighters competing with the buffs.
Maybe we can get a couple of good planes in.

[tedrbr]

Like *this* is likely to happen again in the foreseeable future.

[Ball]

I wondered why there was no British aircraft up for vote - Spitfire XII is one of the most requested airplanes on here, then it struck me that it may be because they are adding the Firefly tank and it would be unfair to add two items from the same country.

Maybe the last country who had an aircraft added should not have one up for vote the next time around (if this is not the case already) in order to give everyone a fair chance of getting an aircraft added?

[E25280]

Originally posted by Ball
I wondered why there was no British aircraft up for vote - Spitfire XII is one of the most requested airplanes on here, then it struck me that it may be because they are adding the Firefly tank and it would be unfair to add two items from the same country.

I think it is more the fact we already have multiple versions of the Spitfire, and they were all about adding a new airframe.  There were no additional variants of P-47s, P-38s, 109's, 190's, etc. etc. up for a vote either.  (Before a new Spitfire, which with all due respect we have plenty, I would much rather see them add more / better variants of the Mossie . . . but I digress).

So, what new British airframes could have been in the running?  Although there are plenty of absent planes, no other British aircraft have been requested too much that I can recall (at least not at the tempo and fervor of most of the aircraft that made the list).  Typically what I see are requests like yours -- additional variants of the Spitfire or Hurricane.  The Meteor is the only one that comes to mind, but I am not sure it will ever be added since it had no air-to-air combat time (buzz bombs don't count IMO).

[Furball]

Originally posted by E25280
I think it is more the fact we already have multiple versions of the Spitfire, and they were all about adding a new airframe.  There were no additional variants of P-47s, P-38s, 109's, 190's, etc. etc. up for a vote either.  (Before a new Spitfire, which with all due respect we have plenty, I would much rather see them add more / better variants of the Mossie . . . but I digress).

So, what new British airframes could have been in the running?  Although there are plenty of absent planes, no other British aircraft have been requested too much that I can recall (at least not at the tempo and fervor of most of the aircraft that made the list).  Typically what I see are requests like yours -- additional variants of the Spitfire or Hurricane.  The Meteor is the only one that comes to mind, but I am not sure it will ever be added since it had no air-to-air combat time (buzz bombs don't count IMO).

Good point.

In addition to the Meteor, the Halifax, Beaufighter, (Fairey) Firefly, Swordfish, Defiant, Whirlwind and Gladiator (not so much anymore) spring to mind when thinking of requested new British airframes.  None of which would have won the vote anyway.

[CAF001]

The Meteor would be a good idea cause that would give the 262 a bit of compitition eh?

[Furball]

It would be about 80mph slower than the 262, but i think it would be much easier for the majority of people in AH to fly.  It should turn better, have 4 x hispanos and have longer range.  Would be a nice step between the Tempest and 262 in terms of perk planes.

I dont buy the "we cant add it because it didnt see air to air combat" statement either - they were in service in England during 1944 chasing down V-1's.  Mk. III's were sent to the continent and were actively seeking out both air and ground target from January 1945 - cant help it if the Luftwaffe was a no show.  I read a report of a Meteor shooting up a Fieseler Storch just as its wheels touched down landing - do vulches count as kills?

[scottydawg]

If they do end up putting new aircraft to a vote again, I for one would like to see the selection limited to one type, i.e. just fighters, just bombers, etc.  That way it would be an apples to apples vote.

Just my 2¢.

[Makoyouidiot]

Originally posted by Furball
It would be about 80mph slower than the 262, but i think it would be much easier for the majority of people in AH to fly.  It should turn better, have 4 x hispanos and have longer range.  Would be a nice step between the Tempest and 262 in terms of perk planes.

I dont buy the "we cant add it because it didnt see air to air combat" statement either - they were in service in England during 1944 chasing down V-1's.  Mk. III's were sent to the continent and were actively seeking out both air and ground target from January 1945 - cant help it if the Luftwaffe was a no show.  I read a report of a Meteor shooting up a Fieseler Storch just as its wheels touched down landing - do vulches count as kills?

Additionally, how can arguments like "It didn't see combat" be applied to planes like the Me163, or Ta-152, neither of which saw very much combat, and served in so few numbers that many books don't even mention them, except as oddities?

[Furball]

It was easy for the German aircraft to see air to air combat, sometimes it happened even before they got their wheels up.

[Makoyouidiot]

Things like that happened when the P-51's were circling over the base

but the point is the same, how can we argue against planes which saw just as much combat as the next ones, in that context?

By the way, my definition of combat is any encounter with the enemy or his hardware that could leave you dead, therefore, intercepting the  V-1s counts.

[Krusty]

Well, intercepting the ground would leave you dead. As would intercepting trees... As would intercepting a target drone, if you crashed into it.

V1s have no inteligent thought behind them. The only reason they were dangerous was if they blew up in a big fireball when they were shot down. Pilots even then learned to fly with one wing disrupting the airflow over the V-1, so they tumbled out of the sky rather than blew up.

Doesn't make it "combat" to me. More like a training exercise with live ammo.

[Karnak]

There was a squad v squad fight of Meteor Mk IIIs against Fw190s, but a squad of Spitfires showed up and chased off the Meteors before any Fw190 or Meteor was downed.

Air to air combat.

[Kweassa]

but the point is the same, how can we argue against planes which saw just as much combat as the next ones, in that context?

 How difficult would it be to understand the difference between "some combat" and "no combat at all"?

 "Some combat" earns the right to become a candidate of AH plane roster. "No combat" doesn't.

 Therefore, the Meteor qualifies, the Bearcat or the Shootingstar does not.

[Makoyouidiot]

Originally posted by Kweassa
How difficult would it be to understand the difference between "some combat" and "no combat at all"?

 "Some combat" earns the right to become a candidate of AH plane roster. "No combat" doesn't.

 Therefore, the Meteor qualifies, the Bearcat or the Shootingstar does not.

Now that actually makes sense.