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Offline 68slayr

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« on: April 11, 2007, 05:27:29 PM »
not finished downloading :( :( :(  Anyone tried the firefly?

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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 05:53:59 PM »
Its fun, but it felt way too tough to me.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 06:22:33 PM »
OK.  I am WAY confused.  All that I have read about the Sherman was that it had terrible armor.  Their loss rate was 560%... ie each was destroyed and rebuilt over 5 times.  It was called the "Ronson lighter" because it "Lite the First Time Every Time".  But the Sherman we now have is only slightly less tough than the Tiger.  I have hit them point blank multiple times with my T-34 and they don't die.  Was the Firefly some major uparmored version???

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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 06:29:00 PM »
Yes, the definite answer can be discovered in less than 12 hours...
amazing..maybe you guys should give the JFK assasination a shot.
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 06:41:28 PM »
I think 12 hours is more than enough to determine whether a notoriously weak tank IRL is excessively overmodeled in an online game.

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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 08:14:14 PM »
It is a different version, ie Sherman Firefly.  That's what I was asking: was the Sherman Firefly a major armor upgrade from normal Shermans?

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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 08:19:41 PM »
Nope, it was not, It was simply an upgunned version of the M4A4 variant of the Sherman that featured a high-performance gun

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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 09:15:40 PM »
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All that I have read about the Sherman was that it had terrible armor.
Don't believe everything you read.

Don't base your "knowledge" on reputation.

Early Shermans lit up quickly due to inadequate ammo storage.  These inadequacies were by and large fixed, after which a Sherman was no more likely to light off than any other tank.  But the reputation remained.

Many if not most US combat veterans faced combat for the first time after the Normandy invasion in mid '44.  They faced mostly Tigers, Panthers, and fully upgraded/upgunned PzkwIVs.  Note that the first two are heavy tanks, yet since the Sherman medium tank couldn't go toe-to-toe with them, the Sherman gets branded as "inadequate."

Wow, no surprise, the armor of the Sherman didn't seem to hold up very well against 88s and high velocity 75s.  Consider, though, that by that time, the T-34 was just as much cannon fodder as the Sherman.  But the T-34's reputation was already made in '41-42 when it had to face 37s and 50s.

Since I have not had the opportunity to try the Sherman out yet, I can not say whether it "feels" like it is or is not modeled correctly.  But I just wanted to point out that your expectation of the tank may have been set artificially low.
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 11:10:21 PM »
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Don't believe everything you read.


I was basing my comments on several sources, including excerpts from that book by the guy that was responsible for coordinating the recovery and repair of Shermans in the field (ETO).  He had intimate knowledge of Shermans and he was none too impressed.

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« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2007, 01:41:55 AM »
lets just say its a British field modification and as a result of this the sherman is now an uber tank!

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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2007, 01:59:03 AM »
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lets just say its a British field modification and as a result of this the sherman is now an uber tank!

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eh lets just strap a bloody huge gun to the thing
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2007, 02:17:14 PM »
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lets just say its a British field modification and as a result of this the sherman is now an uber tank!

We know best!


Also, the British contributed the Merlin to the Mustang (making it basically a joint British/US aircraft), the name "Mustang", and the name "Lightning" for the P-38.

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2007, 02:53:52 PM »
British & aussies are our homies.

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2007, 02:59:46 PM »
the brits also first used the shark mouth paint job on the P40 in north africa.

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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2007, 03:38:32 PM »
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the brits also first used the shark mouth paint job on the P40 in north africa.


i thought the avg came up with that
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