Author Topic: Question for Skuzzy (Read 1122 times)

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #15 on:** April 14, 2007, 09:45:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Shuckins
Yep...you heard the man...."white folks."

Storch is dead on correct with that assessment. White folks seem to be less willing to cede a point or yield ground in an argument about ANYTHING.

It is, indeed, a cultural thing. One of the causes is our culture....the way we are raised, and our personal view of our world and the people around us. Despite the protestations of some who see themselves as fair, sensitive and "enlightened" we simply cannot bring ourselves to accept the thought that "I might be WRONG."

And...so...our egos and arrogance come into play. One can see evidence of it on almost every topic in which religion, culture, and politics are discussed.

I admit it....I'm guilty of it. It's hard not to be guilty of it when one's culture and beliefs that you grew up with are being derided and belittled by some faceless denizen of the internet.

As a result....the restaints of civility come OFF.

Regards, Shuckins

i dont get it.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #16 on:** April 14, 2007, 09:47:53 AM »

So i am itching to post a bash of the presidents new surge plan as it seems, as predicted, its just more troops and more money for more of the same, but This would fall into a country bashing category? Or is this something that is deemed healthy critical debate?

Shuckins · « **Reply #17 on:** April 14, 2007, 09:50:58 AM »

White Hawk,

I realized that my original post was unclear....so I edited it.

Try it now.

Regards, Shuckins

moot · « **Reply #18 on:** April 14, 2007, 09:53:23 AM »

I don't think Storch was absolutely serious.
I don't think the white folk thing is much more than a pigeonhole simplification.. I don't think it's accurate enough even as such.

Whitehawk, why would you repeat a previous discussion gone bad's exact buildup to it going bad?
You need to make something that will spark a real conversation, not the exact same knee jerks as the previous time; repeating history, etc.

Shuckins · « **Reply #19 on:** April 14, 2007, 10:00:39 AM »

Moot, I think Storch was making a valid comparison between Cuban-Americans and White-Americans. I saw nothing in his post that indicates that he wasn't serious about that.

White people, at least those of recent decades, tend to spend a lot of time shouting at each other. They hold opposing viewpoints in contempt and intolerance of other's views and beliefs is the result. (The coffee's finally kicking in.)

Regards, Shuckins

Skuzzy · « **Reply #20 on:** April 14, 2007, 10:44:54 AM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
So i am itching to post a bash of the presidents new surge plan as it seems, as predicted, its just more troops and more money for more of the same, but This would fall into a country bashing category? Or is this something that is deemed healthy critical debate?

Yeah, that's not inciteful is it?

Allow me to rephrase what you want to do. "Hey, I want to just bash the president, so you other guys can take a flying leap! Discussion? what's the point of that? If it dunt psiss ya off then why bother"?

moot · « **Reply #21 on:** April 14, 2007, 10:59:05 AM »

Shuckins, "absolutely" was what I meant to emphasize.
As it was said in his and your post, "white folks" was the only context I saw. Cubans might've been implied by the cafecito thing, but I don't see that white folks couldn't take Cuban's or anyone else's place there, nor that it has to be Cuban Americans...
I agree that it's a cultural tendency, but not that it is so prevalent that you can piegonhole every "white folk" into it.. And I'm not thinking of this in a racial sensibilities perspective, I just think it's inaccurate.

Too many of the more calm and sure footed people I've known were "white", and more interested in discussing (informally and not) sex, religion, and politics, than not.. too many for that recent trend to be truly characteristic.
I think the recent trend is because of exceptional circumstances.

edit- Actually, I see what you mean. I wouldn't say it like that, but I agree.

Vudak · « **Reply #22 on:** April 14, 2007, 11:12:09 AM »

It is unfortunate that we can't discuss that certain topic, because it could bring on some interesting debates over freedom of speech, and the pros and cons of having thick skin.

I'm particularly interested in this topic, as I can very much relate to the individual who was fired. I've very much been in his shoes.

What if we just kept race out of it? Does it even really have much to do with race, anyway? I see this more as an issue of thick skinned people vs. thin skinned people, regardless of what color their skins happen to be.

Would that topic fly? I mean, at least until someone ignored the ground rules (ie, no race)?

moot · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2007, 11:17:12 AM »

It only has to do with race because of people who can't tell the difference between race and personality.
Those people haven't grown out of the poor excuse for a shorthand idea that is "race".
Race being such a great excuse for victimized behavior doesn't help either.

WhiteHawk · « **Reply #24 on:** April 14, 2007, 01:18:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Yeah, that's not inciteful is it?

Allow me to rephrase what you want to do. "Hey, I want to just bash the president, so you other guys can take a flying leap! Discussion? what's the point of that? If it dunt psiss ya off then why bother"?

So part of the problem is that you are the interpreter and can pretty much make any post into a flame or troll, and allow any to exist, so long as, let me guess, it supports your opinion? COuld you do me a favor and ban me so I dont have to try to figure out how to scrub this trash off of my computer?

BTW · « **Reply #25 on:** April 14, 2007, 01:27:40 PM »

A long time ago, before Al Gore invented the internet, it was simply text based. Then some genius invented hypertext. The reason for hypertext was to quickly link to even more information. Now that Al Gore invented the internet it seems its all about shutting people up, not getting more information. There are a thousand ways to rationalize shutting someone up, all equally dishonest.

moot · « **Reply #26 on:** April 14, 2007, 01:29:39 PM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
So part of the problem is that you are the interpreter and can pretty much make any post into a flame or troll, and allow any to exist, so long as, let me guess, it supports your opinion? COuld you do me a favor and ban me so I dont have to try to figure out how to scrub this trash off of my computer?

Pretty ironic you'd say that from a total misread of what Skuzzy meant.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #27 on:** April 14, 2007, 01:55:22 PM »

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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
COuld you do me a favor and ban me so I dont have to try to figure out how to scrub this trash off of my computer?

Sure, no problem.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 14, 2007, 01:59:43 PM »

It's the individual that decides wether to argue or concede a point.

It has absolutely Jack **** to do with race.

I've seen some very good debates fielded by people of all colors.

I've also seen all people defend the most pointless, hopeless cause, to the point of simply turning around, walking away, and shaking their head, convinced they are right, when it's obvious to everyone that they are wrong.

It is not simply a trait of the 'white' race.

And as for what topics to post...Even on an open board, their has to be some measure of propriety. You cannot simply put up any inflammatory crap, simply for the sake of wanting a slam fest, instead of a genuine discussion.

Nilsen · « **Reply #29 on:** April 14, 2007, 02:00:01 PM »

LOL!

I guess he was asking for it without leaving too much room..