Author Topic: How long did it take you to learn ACM? (Read 3460 times)

Stampf · « **Reply #15 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:23:58 AM »

Learn, practice, learn, practice...

It never ends. It's great when you have a few good teachers. That's invaluable. Then you must practice and apply,...get shot down, contemplate it, learn from it, and practice some more...

hubsonfire · « **Reply #16 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:27:08 AM »

What's acm?

crockett · « **Reply #17 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:33:33 AM »

I know of course the basic ACM moves but I haven't studied any ACM techniques. I for the most part let my plane do the talking, by doing what it seems to be able to do at a given situation or by what I think I can do given my E and what my target is.

My weak spot is defensive flying I can almost always get on someone's six but I have a hard time getting someone whom is good off my six (assuming planes are equal or close to it)

Personally I think ACM is something you never stop learning.

ghi · « **Reply #18 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:44:25 AM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
What's acm?

ACM=LA7:D

mars01 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:44:50 AM »

Takes about an hour to read a learn about ACM, it takes years of practice and fighting to get decent in using and applying ACM to winning fights.

If you think you are hot cheese ask yourself...

1) What am I flying?

2) Where am I flying?

3) How am I flying?

If you are always flying the easy planes into easy conditions then you may think you learned ACM, but you are just practicing what every noob can do.

If you find yourself taking easy planes into overwhelming odds then you are practicing at getting better.

If you are taking hard planes into bad odds and winning then you have arrived and are actually applying what you have learned about ACM.

Ohh and if you are over 8k and fighting planes below 8k then you are just safety dancing and not much ACM is involved in BnZ LOLH.

moot · « **Reply #20 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:52:12 AM »

A few months to get to the point where I really understood how geometry and timing worked together.
Add gunnery and situational awareness, and you'll still be learning a long time from now.

Shane · « **Reply #21 on:** April 16, 2007, 11:59:02 AM »

about 18 months doing it mostly on my own in AW3 on gamestorm. the best tip at the time concerned internet lag and "timing." played this from '98 til before it died in whenever, then went to AH.

then about another 6 months to learn how to deal with the HO in AH1...

how did i learn? by trying stuff. playing it safe is fine and all, but unless you master the other aspects, you're just limiting yourself. but then, some are just naturally limited.

never read shaw (or other dogfighting stuff), but have caught snippets of it here and there and saw explanations for stuff i was already doing.

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #22 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:04:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane

how did i learn? by trying stuff. playing it safe is fine and all, but unless you master the other aspects, you're just limiting yourself. but then, some are just naturally limited.

and some are just naturally gifted........

Me? I am still learning, and relearning things I somehow forgot I learnt.......

Shane, do you still fly, been long time since I seen you up in the arenas.....

nexus69 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:07:55 PM »

I don't ACM I HO!

Flatbar · « **Reply #24 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:16:25 PM »

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Originally posted by SKurj

There is one thing more important than all the ACM stuff and that is Situational Awareness.

Word.

Shane · « **Reply #25 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:26:00 PM »

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Originally posted by TequilaChaser

Shane, do you still fly, been long time since I seen you up in the arenas.....

nope.. haven't flown in quite some time now.. mostly due to my joystick getting ready to fritz and being semi-irreplaceable, plus just a general burnout.

maybe one day....

mars01 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:33:51 PM »

All SA without ACM gets you is a good picture of the guy that killed you.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #27 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:52:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
about 18 months doing it mostly on my own in AW3 on gamestorm. the best tip at the time concerned internet lag and "timing." played this from '98 til before it died in whenever, then went to AH.

then about another 6 months to learn how to deal with the HO in AH1...

how did i learn? by trying stuff. playing it safe is fine and all, but unless you master the other aspects, you're just limiting yourself. but then, some are just naturally limited.

never read shaw (or other dogfighting stuff), but have caught snippets of it here and there and saw explanations for stuff i was already doing.

Ahh Shane. Master of the forced overshoot

Where you been theze days?
Dont see you up anymore?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #28 on:** April 16, 2007, 12:53:38 PM »

THE best ACM wise I've faced is probably Erebus
Or howevers its spelled.

I've seen that guy turn a plane on a dime and give ya 9 cents change

Dont see much of him anymore either

jaxxo · « **Reply #29 on:** April 16, 2007, 01:03:04 PM »

i was a nut from day one always taking more than i could handle...i learned well enuff to be better than most but most of the Elite stix can handle me pretty easily...DA pratice is a must but I find it totally dry and boring so Ive found a comfort zone and pretty much stick with basic ACM"s ....Which means I do ok because most cant even master the simple ones....id say 6 months to a year is standard for most to become proficient...

I have seen that most of the great stix in the game have also migrated to the back of the pack mentality and are rarely if ever alone...kinda sad