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Silat · « **Reply #30 on:** April 20, 2007, 05:52:03 AM »

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Originally posted by Bodhi
correct me if I am wrong, but partial birth abortions happen at the time of birth. IE. the head pops out and they kill it, right?

If so, I do not support that at all. However I do support a woman's right to choose and I do think there is a huge difference between a bunch of cells and a full term fetus.

IT is call a D&XorC . The rightwing Christians named it partial birth to scare their sheep.
It is used rarely and mostly when the mothers life is in danger. This ruling made no consideration of the womens health and welfare.
This is a religious issue and has no place at the SC.

storch · « **Reply #31 on:** April 20, 2007, 06:22:54 AM »

you are wrong. it has it's place in the SC as it is the first step in the right direction since 1973. the goal is to overturn roe v wade. this is legal precedent and a very important one. I hope to see roe v wade overturned in my lifetime.

Silat · « **Reply #32 on:** April 20, 2007, 06:38:11 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
you are wrong. it has it's place in the SC as it is the first step in the right direction since 1973. the goal is to overturn roe v wade. this is legal precedent and a very important one. I hope to see roe v wade overturned in my lifetime.

??? That is your retort? Where am I wrong?
It is religious.
It doesnt take the womens health into consideration.
And roe wont go away. But religious fanatics will.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #33 on:** April 20, 2007, 08:38:53 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
why? is it your perfered method of birth control? You do realize that is what it is used for the majority of the time.

you can always leave ..

Un true.
the most common form of birth control in the US is sterilisation, The most popular non permanant form of Birth control is "the pill"

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #34 on:** April 20, 2007, 08:43:11 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
you are wrong. it has it's place in the SC as it is the first step in the right direction since 1973. the goal is to overturn roe v wade. this is legal precedent and a very important one. I hope to see roe v wade overturned in my lifetime.

Mark my words. In our lifetime Abortion will never be made completely illegal.
The best that will ever happen is it will become more regulated.

SFRT - Frenchy · « **Reply #35 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:30:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
why? is it your perfered method of birth control? You do realize that is what it is used for the majority of the time.

you can always leave ..

I don't consider murder when the thing is nothing much of a gathering of cells. You might as well go to jail when you remove your maule from your butt cheecks, it's a living cell too afterall. Abortion helps resolve mistakes, teach a good lesson, and help famillies to get back on track. To me, the real crime is to bring a child to this world that is not wanted, and will be loosely taken care off. And if no abortion is synonim with adoption, oh my god, I'm sure it feels very good to spend your life knowing your parents abandoned you, or not knowing the wherabouts of your own child.

And hell no I'm not going to leave, I'll exercise my freedom and fight the radical integrists that wave the religion or moral baneer. If you are that prone on controlling other people's life and alter women's rights, maybe you are the one that should leave, and move your to Al Quaeda controled country of choice.

ravells · « **Reply #36 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:40:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Rolex
The method in this ruling is used in less than 1% of all abortions, and it affects couples who want a child, but something has gone terribly wrong during the pregnancy. The fetus is dying, already brain dead or has abnormalities that make it unable to live outside the womb - if it even goes full term.

The "ladies" affected by this are grieving mothers who have nurseries and cribs waiting, but have to live with an unbearable situation. Yanking out the "killer" card to paint all of them as inhuman is an evil and indecent thing to do.

Very good point, Rolex.

storch · « **Reply #37 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:42:45 AM »

sir you are so wrong on so many issues that it requires less efort for me to note the issues you are correct on. I will dedicate the latter part of this post to show you where you do not go awry.

that about covers it. carry on

Gunthr · « **Reply #38 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:00:39 PM »

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Gunthr you helped save a life. A very special life. Good on you bro! You done good - Yeager

thanks Yeager... i really do appreciate your comment, and i get a little choked up thinking about it even today. i kind of resent those who paint people against abortion with with a broad brush - labeling people who are against abortion as rightwing religious nuts - i consider it an insult, and its certainly innaccurate in my case, and I'm sure many others. I have never been religious. I was in a jam, and I was very tempted to go with the abortion to be done with it. The pregnant "girlfriend" said that if I didn't marry her, she would get an abortion. I knew instinctively that it is wrong to kill a fetus. I know in my heart I did the right thing. it was hard to do, but i did it.

just because you have reverence for human life doesn't mean you are a nutjob. That kind of desensitsation is a result of the San Fransico/California liberalism type of mindset. I was acquainted (by introduction) with a woman, a teacher, who had had 17 abortions. i'm not down on promiscuity per se for single people, but trifling with human life is just wrong. Doesn't everyone know in their hearts that its wrong?

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midnight Target · « **Reply #39 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:56:27 PM »

You're not a nutjob, but you did have a Choice.

Eagler · « **Reply #40 on:** April 20, 2007, 02:50:24 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Un true.
the most common form of birth control in the US is sterilisation, The most popular non permanant form of Birth control is "the pill"

didn't saw they weren't
I stated the majority of abortions are "oops did I spread my legs again last night?" after the fact birth control. That is a fact.

ravells · « **Reply #41 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:15:33 PM »

I always thought it was

'I've got a headache'

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:19:26 PM »

Most of the guys arguing on this board against abortion are too ugly to get laid in the first place, so it's a moot point, really.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #43 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:20:36 PM »

edited...

OTOH, Most of the guys arguing on this board against abortion are too ugly to get laid in the first place, so it's a moot point, really.

myelo · « **Reply #44 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:34:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Flatbar
Am I correct in the assumption that there is no provision for using this procedure when it would save the life of the mother?

No, there is an exception for the life of the mother, but not for her health.

If you read Kennedy's decision, it's very clear Roe will not be overturned by this court. But the decision was important for several reasons.

- Obviously intact D&E is now illegal (unless the woman's life is in danger).

- Medical uncertainty is now an appropriate premise for regulation. If the medical experts don't agree whether a procedure is safe or necessary, the legislature can regulate it.

- Abortion restrictions no longer have to include exceptions for the health of the mother.

- Abortions can be restricted so long as alternatives exist. This is very important because it opens the door for a variety of restrictions like parental notification, and outlawing a variety of specific methods, as long as you don't impose an undue burden (restrict all abortions).

In other words, the decision has set in place guidelines for the State to draft further abortion restrictions that will pass constitutional muster.