Author Topic: Bf 109 vs Fw 190 (Read 2393 times)

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2007, 08:06:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Oldman731
Well put. I guess if the object is to shoot bombeers, the FW is the way to go. If I have to fight other planes, though, I believe I'd take any variant of the 109 before I'd climb into a FW.

- oldman (except that Grits keeps making me fly the A8)

NOW they tell me!

::Note to self. Dont take up 190s to fight other fighters::

SunKing · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2007, 08:18:59 AM »

190A-5

Enjoyable plane that can hold it's own and almost do it all with proper rudder control.

Krusty · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2007, 08:19:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
109E

Just cause it looks better

Amen, brotha!

Hajo · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2007, 09:21:14 AM »

For all the years I played Air warrior I used the 190A8 primarily. Of course it was modeled differently in Air Warrior. It could just about out run anything there. In AW it had turn capabilities as it has here (none A8) and would lose E fast in the turn. However it would out turn almost anything at 300 or above. If kept turning it would bleed E fast and end up slow and with whatever on it's 6. In Air Warrior the Jug was an afterthought.

In AH seems to me the A8 without the 30s handles a bit better then the A8 with the 30mm package. Handles almost like it has the added armour of the A8/R8. It is slightly more nimble with the 4X20mm package imho. The D9 runs well and can lead the league in assists.

All in all the P47 is a much better aircraft. Climb rates are approx. the same but rate of turn go with the P47. For very high alts the 152 is good but again the NJug is much better at that alt. The 8X50s have a faster rate of fire and can reach out and touch someone at a greater range.

republic · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2007, 09:46:55 AM »

The 109 is the answer to every question.

Achtung Schpitfire/turney thing! - 109F4
Achtung Buffs! - 109G14 30mm + gondies
Achtung Runstang/fast thing! - 109K4
Achtung base attack! - 109G2/G6 (depending on your preference...for me G2, I only use BB's to try and force my target to turn.)
Achtung n00bs in Spixteens! - 109E4

Krusty · « **Reply #20 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:16:50 AM »

Let me chime in here.

I like 190s. There was a time they'd have the vast majority of my kills in the stats. I also like 109s.

However, I think I can sum it up this way:

When I'm in a 190 and fight a 109 I expect to die

When I'm in a 109 and fight a 190 I expect an easy kill.

^-- given equal E situations, mind you

190 is a great plane, and YES it can dogfight, but sometimes you just gotta disengage, and a lot of times you can't do that because you're not fast enough to run away.

VansCrew1 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:17:31 AM »

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Originally posted by republic
The 109 is the answer to every question.
Achtung Schpitfire/turney thing! - 109F4
Achtung Buffs! - 109G14 30mm + gondies
Achtung Runstang/fast thing! - 109K4
Achtung base attack! - 109G2/G6 (depending on your preference...for me G2, I only use BB's to try and force my target to turn.)
Achtung n00bs in Spixteens! - 109E4
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i agree but the K4 and the G14 only hane 1 30mm with 65 rounds total,the K4 and G14 do have great climb rates.The 190A8 has 2 30mms with 130rounds total,it makes it easer to kill your target and quicker killing bombers.the 190-D9(dora) has great speed and fire power,also it has great role rate. But the turning it lacks in,the 190-F8 is great for ground targets, it has 2 20mms and 2 13mm,it can also hold a 500GP kg bomb also it can hold 12 PB1 rockets or 4 50AP kg bombs,the rockets and bombs are armor piercing aswell so a greater chance of killing what you were going for, the 109's and 190 have the good and bad trats,it depends on what that person likes.

i usually fly the 190's around,they dont compress as quickley as a 109 dose. I fly the K4 and G14 if i need to get alt fast.If the 109 has a better ammo load out on the 30mms i would fly them more but im a 190 fan for the most part.

~~~VansCrew~~~

republic · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:34:45 AM »

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Originally posted by VansCrew1

i usually fly the 190's around,they dont compress as quickley as a 109 dose.

I have augered into the ground more times than I'd care to admit by underestimating (again and again) the 109's propensity to compress. You think you can control it with throttle and control surfaces but...again and again it'll bite you in the butt.

I'd say the 109 is a jack of all trades, whilst the 190 is simply the butcher bird we all know and love. Both excellent planes, but both take years to master....and I am no master.

But after flying the 109 nearly exclusively for over a year, it's the plane I'm most comfortable in.

VansCrew1 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:42:24 AM »

true, it does compress,im just not use to it,im not the most efficient on saving ammo, the K4 and G14 do have 30mms but not alot of rounds and they do go by fast if your not watching them. the 190 has 500 rounds and normally you can get atleast 5kills out of them. i dont like to watch my ammo just like to blow stuff up.

~~~VansCrew~~~

BaldEagl · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:50:28 AM »

190... any model but the A8's my fave.

USCH · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:54:26 AM »

109G-6:O

Kweassa · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:54:36 AM »

If I'm flying with people whom I can trust my back, who aren't afraid to push the 190 aggressively when it comes down to multiple engagements, then the 190 is by far the superior choice.

If I have to fly alone, or have to do everything from the merge to the final coup-de-grace myself, or the people around you aren't very aggressive and can't to anything else than resort to lazy BnZ tactics despite there's an enemy plane right behind your tail, then I'd up a 109.

The 190 is simple and straightforward, needs no complicated tricks, and suited with people who fly with strict self-discipline.

The 109 is complicated, flashy, aggressive, and suited for people who like the hybrid E-smart flying style that lies somewhere between pure TnB and BnZ.

Krusty · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:57:02 AM »

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Originally posted by VansCrew1
true, it does compress,im just not use to it,im not the most efficient on saving ammo, the K4 and G14 do have 30mms but not alot of rounds and they do go by fast if your not watching them. the 190 has 500 rounds and normally you can get atleast 5kills out of them. i dont like to watch my ammo just like to blow stuff up.

~~~VansCrew~~~

True... 190s do have more ammo... But 109s might be more capable of staying alive longer to kill more enemies. Meaning perhaps the 190 is more lethal, but only for a shorter time, whereas the 109 is less lethal, but over a longer time.

I've got an 8-kill sortie on film using the 109k-4. I wasn't even too good with it, really. Last kill was with 13mms only. In the 190 I usually don't last long enough to do that, or don't get the option to stick around long enough. Oh sure, I've got streaks in the 190 as well, it "seems easier" in the 109s.

republic · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:57:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa

The 109 is complicated, flashy, aggressive, and suited for people who like the hybrid E-smart flying style that lies somewhere between pure TnB and BnZ.

Excellent description

VWE · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2007, 10:59:10 AM »

Learn to use your trim Republic and you'll never dive into the ground again... when you are compressing in the 109 elevator trim will pull you out of that dive. I like em both but fly the 190 more, just love that roll rate.

Author Topic: Bf 109 vs Fw 190 (Read 2393 times)

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