Author Topic: High Altitude woes for the Luftwaffe (Read 5028 times)

Krusty · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2007, 12:52:59 PM »

Straffo, have you seen the targets for CT? They posted screenshots. Miles and miles of city, including residential and industrial areas. The point is carpet bombing, from hundreds of bombers all at once. That means you need a target large enough to carpet bomb! The objective will be a % of the total target (i.e. "You need to bomb 60% for a win")

Denniss · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2007, 01:10:02 PM »

How many high-alt versions of the Bf 109 are available?

Those started to appear in spring/summer 1944 with G-5/AS and G-6/AS to be followed by the G-14/AS in autumn 1944 (basically a G-6/AS with MW-50). Then there are the G-10 and K-4.

Larry · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2007, 01:37:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Straffo, have you seen the targets for CT? They posted screenshots. Miles and miles of city, including residential and industrial areas. The point is carpet bombing, from hundreds of bombers all at once. That means you need a target large enough to carpet bomb! The objective will be a % of the total target (i.e. "You need to bomb 60% for a win")

PICS WHERE WHERE!!!

Krusty · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2007, 02:07:28 PM »

Oh, that's right.. You've been gone for ages...

Well, screenshots of the airfields here:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186231

Screenshots of some of the strat items can be seen here:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=186232

I thought there were some more detailed photos of the main target (close up of the industrial areas) but I can't find them right now.

Larry · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2007, 02:09:55 PM »

Yea Iv been under a rock for more then a year last tme I was here it was called YoD and was coming out in two weeks:aok

frank3 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 20, 2007, 02:28:04 PM »

Hey Krusty, nice to see you again

Those airfields really look awesome, I've seen the 'targets', but not the airfields yet, just awesome

Krusty · « **Reply #21 on:** April 20, 2007, 02:32:04 PM »

heh, I'm everywhere, it seems. Hard to miss me!

Widewing · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2007, 02:45:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Viking
If the ETO gets to 1945 the LW will have the 109K which outperforms the P-47N in all regimes of flight at and below 25k. Also the LW will have the Me 262 (since mid-1944 in fact).

No, the Bf 109K-4 does not outperform the P-47N at 25k.

Model: Speed / Climb

At 25k
P-47N: 457 mph / 3,020 fpm
109K-4: 445 mph / 2,870 fpm

At 30k
P-47N: 475 mph / 2,490 fpm
109K-4: 430 mph / 1,980 fpm

You have to got down to 23.5k to have roughly equal performance. At 22k, the 109 is faster, but that's very close to its FTH.

At 22k
P-47N: 446 mph
109K-4: 451 mph

If HTC goes for realism, the Americans and Brits will have 150 octane avgas in the early autumn of 1944.

My regards,

Widewing

Westy · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2007, 02:49:44 PM »

If this were real life your words would be Gospel Widewing.

However for most players the aircraft performance won't even enter the picture. It'll be the classic case of "it's the pilot, not the plane."

IMO most will not have the discipline nor fear of death that real WWII pilots had. Many will not take the time to set themselves up for an attack on the bombers and will fall to the rear turret gunner as they climb slowly off their six or fall prey to any covering fighters.
Conversely there'll be scores of over-eager escort pilots who will go screaming down in groups to chase the first LW fighter(s) that comes zipping on by or is seen itself lower than they are. They'll leave the bombers severely under-protected.

Just like scenarios. It should be fun

(if it ever comes out

)

OOZ662 · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:10:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I thought there were some more detailed photos of the main target (close up of the industrial areas) but I can't find them right now.

Following the link on the front page...
http://www.hitechcreations.com/ct/ctframe.html

Or without the frame
http://www.hitechcreations.com/ct/about.html

Krusty · « **Reply #25 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:12:26 PM »

Sweet! Thanks OOZ, I thought they were on the forums, didn't check the front page!

TK, here's what I wanted to show ya, though. THIS sums up what TOD is about rather well.

OOZ662 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:13:59 PM »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
It looks like drier lint, but it's buildings.

Krusty · « **Reply #27 on:** April 20, 2007, 03:19:42 PM »

Unfortunately, they changed all the terrain tiles now

Won't look nearly that good on solid green.

Larry · « **Reply #28 on:** April 20, 2007, 04:00:14 PM »

Oh yea. If we had those citys in MA the scorepotato toolsheaders would wet thier paints.

And I'm not talking about pee:D

Squire · « **Reply #29 on:** April 20, 2007, 05:04:32 PM »

Disagree with the premise.

You are talking as if the Air War didnt develop at all.

Allied fighters will start out with no P-51, only P-38s and P-47s. They have fuel issues as well, where defending fighters can last longer at full power on the defensive near friendly bases.

The LW does get later varients of the 109 and 190 as the war progresses, 109D-9, 109G-14 and 109K-4 all come into service vs the P-51s summer-fall, 1944.

Bomber alts will be between 18k-25k I would think, depending, not always at 25k.

I see it as a rather balanced field actually. Both sets are competative, you can argue the fine points (and they have been argued over for decades) but the bottom line is that no one side will have super-duper a/c vs POS a/c on the other.

...so relax.