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Offline Whisky58

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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2007, 05:48:57 AM »
Oh & BTW, Happy St George's Day to any fellow Englanders :)
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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2007, 06:01:40 AM »
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I think the important point Laurie is making is that Gordon Brown is being imposed upon us without universal mandate. That sticks in the craw of the people of a nation that likes to think of themselves as being the birthplace of parliamentary democracy.


I detest Brown, like I detest Labour, both new and old. However, there's nothing undemocratic about Brown talking over for the remainder of this parliament. It won't be the first time that the prime minister has stepped down mid term.

We elect our MPs to represent us. One of their functions is to put forward someone to form a government. How they do that isn't really important, the fact that our representatives have the right to remove that government from office at any time is.

Personally I'd much rather it was Brown taking over than someone like Milliband. I think Labour have far less chance of winning the next election with Brown as PM.
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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2007, 06:26:01 AM »
Sounds like Taxation without representation. Hey, kinda like here! :confused:

Good luck my brothers.

Any body know where the new world is?
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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2007, 06:42:23 AM »
The one thing that I find odd about parliamentary systems is that if enough of them decide you're out, they just toss you, public has naught to say about it--seems like it happens in Israel every few years
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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2007, 08:27:43 AM »
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Read the title again - especially the last five words. Oh and Britain doesn't have political "pikes".


I read the title. I also stated you posted it on a US based BBS. Your polls and actual news are not listed here commonly so there is no basis for reference on this side of the Atlantic. You brought it up, I figured maybe you would like to actually share a bit about your own politics from the position of an interested citizen. I was actually interested in why you feel the way you do about this guy and or about your political structure.

I suppose that it's simply too much trouble for you to actually mention content or put down the issues. Sound bites are much easier to type.
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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2007, 08:38:07 AM »
You need to be more specific on why I shouldn't vote for him,I think you just don't like the labour party full stop.I hate politicians of all colours.The motivating force of politics is power!

 I vote out whoever is in power,in an attempt to at least maintain the Democratic process,and keep them on their toes


Blair the present incumbent,beggars belief.How would Harold Wilson look now if he had sent Troops to Vietnam!:rolleyes:
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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2007, 11:54:28 AM »
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I read the title. I also stated you posted it on a US based BBS. Your polls and actual news are not listed here commonly so there is no basis for reference on this side of the Atlantic.
But I see people posting on this board from all around the world... But yes, I do realise foreign news is weak in the US.
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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2007, 12:04:57 PM »
that attitude is sort of arrogant considering this is not your BB or your nation's only. we have players from all over the world, many from britain. if it doesnt mean anything don't read it :aok
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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2007, 01:12:02 PM »
couldn't agree more, Laurie. ^ Unfortunately, it's an extremely widespread attitude which extends far beyond this BBS.
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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2007, 01:54:50 PM »
So if I ask about your politics which one of your country's folks brought up and posted on a bbs I'm arrogant. Check.

I guess it's simply too much trouble for you to really discuss the issues then. I was hoping for some real information instead of the lack of coverage for your side of the Atlantic.
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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2007, 02:11:34 PM »
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that attitude is sort of arrogant considering this is not your BB or your nation's only. we have players from all over the world, many from britain. if it doesnt mean anything don't read it :aok


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ppl in britain all know the facts it's always on the news e.t.c,
 


Pot..kettle..
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Offline Whisky58

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« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2007, 03:49:21 PM »
Maverick has a point. IMHO it doesn't matter where you live, nor does it matter if the bbs are US based.  If you post a statement that someone wants clarifying & has a genuine interest in, then it's common courtesy to expand & explain - isn't it?

Nashwan is right about the precedent of non-mandated change of leadership, but that doesn't mean it's right.  I think something as fundamental as chosing the country's leader should always be subject to a popular vote in a modern democracy, except in an emergency.  The honourable path would be for Blair to request a general election with Brown as Labour leader.

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« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2007, 03:51:47 PM »
FWIW the Presidency can shift without an election by ceding to the VP as did Nixon. Is what's happening with the PM something similar?
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« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2007, 04:06:49 PM »
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FWIW the Presidency can shift without an election by ceding to the VP as did Nixon. Is what's happening with the PM something similar?


Mav - sorry, maybe I was a bit of an arse before.

To answer your question, Blair is set to resign. But his party was elected for 5 years beginning 5th May 2005. So in theory they could go up until May 2010. The maximum is five years, though most administrations are dissolved after four.

This happened back in 1976 when Harold Wilson resigned as PM. There was an internal leadership contest, and Jim Callaghan won and became PM, even though he was never directly elected by the people/electorate.
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« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2007, 05:00:04 PM »
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Mav - sorry, maybe I was a bit of an arse before.

To answer your question, Blair is set to resign. But his party was elected for 5 years beginning 5th May 2005. So in theory they could go up until May 2010. The maximum is five years, though most administrations are dissolved after four.

This happened back in 1976 when Harold Wilson resigned as PM. There was an internal leadership contest, and Jim Callaghan won and became PM, even though he was never directly elected by the people/electorate.


That seems sorta bogus, but not unlike that of Ford taking over for Nixon when Nixon resigned because of Watergate. (Shrugs)
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