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Offline MrRiplEy[H]

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« on: April 22, 2007, 03:19:45 PM »
Every American can help to save the internet radios. Services like Pandora or live365.com will die if the new royalty law stands in congress.

Please sign to http://savenetradio.org today!
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2007, 03:32:22 PM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2007, 04:36:19 PM »
Done.

Is this new royalty more than a non-web based radio station would pay?
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2007, 04:40:40 PM »
An Email I got from Pandora:

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I'm writing today to ask for your help.  The survival of Pandora and all of Internet radio is in jeopardy because of a recent decision by the Copyright Royalty Board in Washington, DC to almost triple the licensing fees for Internet radio sites like Pandora.  The new royalty rates are irrationally high, more than four times what satellite radio pays, and broadcast radio doesn't pay these at all.  Left unchanged, these new royalties will kill every Internet radio site, including Pandora.

In response to these new and unfair fees, we have formed the SaveNetRadio Coalition, a group that includes listeners, artists, labels and webcasters.  I hope that you will consider joining us.  

Please sign our petition urging your Congressional representative to act to save Internet radio: http://capwiz.com/saveinternetradio/issues/alert/?alertid=9631541  

Please feel free to forward this link/email to your friends - the more petitioners we can get, the better.  

Understand that we are fully supportive of paying royalties to the artists whose music we play, and have done so since our inception.  As a former touring musician myself, I'm no stranger to the challenges facing working musicians.  The issue we have with the recent ruling is that it puts the cost of streaming far out of the range of ANY webcaster's business potential.  

I hope you'll take just a few minutes to sign our petition - it WILL make a difference. As a young industry, we do not have the lobbying power of the RIAA. You, our listeners, are by far our biggest and most influential allies.

As always, and now more than ever, thank you for your support.
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2007, 04:54:01 PM »
Interesting post Dadano. Why would these royalties be so high for internet broadcasting companies when broadcast radio pays none at all?
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2007, 05:06:59 PM »
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Interesting post Dadano. Why would these royalties be so high for internet broadcasting companies when broadcast radio pays none at all?


It's the cartel protecting it's interests. Webradios are taking ad revenue away from RIAA controlled central system. http://www.bit-tech.net/columns/2007/04/21/can_you_hear_me_now/
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2007, 07:04:05 PM »
Broadcast radio does pay royalties, but there are several types of royalties. BMI collects royalties for the copyright holders, but the RIAA wants to collect royalties for the recording companies above what is collected from BMI.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2007, 12:27:11 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2007, 12:42:18 AM »
Forget it guys, they will vote on the side of the money.

BMI, ASCAP and SESAC have the royalty copyrights to all music and they will collect on it. It's not the recording artists that they collect for, it's the songwriters.

They started charging retailers for playing broadcast radio in stores years ago. The average convenience store pays around $600 a year if they are caught playing a radio where customers can hear it unless they have a contract with the publishers.

The charges also apply to live music venues. One bar I worked in was forced to pay over $3000 in fees and penalties. Trust me, they send lots of people into lots of places to listen and they always win in court.

The only alternative to the music nazis is muzak or satelite radio. It's a little bit cheaper because they bundle royalties among subscribers.
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2007, 01:02:52 AM »
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Forget it guys, they will vote on the side of the money.

BMI, ASCAP and SESAC have the royalty copyrights to all music and they will collect on it. It's not the recording artists that they collect for, it's the songwriters.

They started charging retailers for playing broadcast radio in stores years ago. The average convenience store pays around $600 a year if they are caught playing a radio where customers can hear it unless they have a contract with the publishers.

The charges also apply to live music venues. One bar I worked in was forced to pay over $3000 in fees and penalties. Trust me, they send lots of people into lots of places to listen and they always win in court.

The only alternative to the music nazis is muzak or satelite radio. It's a little bit cheaper because they bundle royalties among subscribers.


If you get enough voters sending email to their senators and representatives, things can change. No politician wants to lose votes.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2007, 01:11:51 AM »
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If you get enough voters sending email to their senators and representatives, nothing will change. No politician wants to lose kickbacks and campaign contributions.
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2007, 02:12:41 AM »
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If they lose to many votes, they also lose the kickbacks and campaign contributions. ;)
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2007, 02:32:21 AM »
Oh you poor misguided soul...
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2007, 01:39:28 PM »
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Oh you poor misguided soul...


Politicians can always find new sources of kickbacks and campaign contributions. If they lose their voting base however, they are out of office and they can say bye bye to those kick backs for good.
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« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2007, 09:02:46 PM »
I got email responses from my Senator and Congressman.

From Senator Salazar:

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Dear Friend:
 
Thank you for your e-mail message.  Hearing from Coloradans is important to me.  I will respond to your concerns in the near future.  If you need assistance from my office or if you need help dealing with a federal agency, please use the link below to access our casework form.  If you are not a Colorado resident, I encourage you to contact the U.S. Senators from your state directly.  
 
Once again, thank you for contacting me.


Eh....kinda lame response imo.

From Congressman Udall:

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Dear Elfie:

 

Thank you for contacting me with regards to the recent decision by the Copyright Royalty Board (CRB) to change Internet radio royalty rates. I appreciate your taking the time to get in touch.

 

Until this decision, royalty rates for Internet radio stations were determined based on percentage of revenues. Under the CRB ruling, these stations are now charged a fee per listener, which could in some cases mean that royalties owed would exceed overall income for stations. While artists rightly deserve to make a fair income off of their music, I am concerned about a payment system that causes many small Internet radio stations to go out of business. My staff has discussed this issue with Internet and Telecommunications Subcommittee Chairman Ed Markey's staff on the House Energy and Commerce Committee and will keep me informed as this issue develops. I will keep your views in mind should legislation come before the full House on this issue.

 

Thanks again for contacting me. To do my job well, I need to hear critical feedback from my fellow Coloradans. For more information about my positions, please visit my website at http://www.house.gov/markudall and sign up for my email newsletter.


Much better response. Sounds like he might actually be concerned about this issue but we'll see how he votes.
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