Author Topic: Raptor undecided... (Read 1363 times)

EsX_Raptor · « **Reply #15 on:** April 24, 2007, 07:42:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Engine
I think you'll find that most of the Luftwaffe planes we have are primarily energy fighters, due to one characteristic or another. Lowspeed handling in the 190s is not well-suited to turnfighting.

yea, I've noticed that already on many Luftwaffe airplanes. Even the Bf 109's seem to be a little bit of E fighters. I think I'll have to get used to that style of flying in order to be a successful Luftwaffe pilot.

EDIT: But all I know is to turn with the opponent, take some lead and shoot when close enough (trying to get on their 6 everytime) but how does a big E fighter like a FW190 fight if it can't turn well at all? That's my intrigue.

I ask that because I lately had a really, really good time with the FW 190A-5 against another E fighter, a P-38L in the training arena. It was the most literal meaning of the word, awesome, until I took it to the MA and fighted a turn fight that killed me quick... you can now imagine my dissapointment.

Oh, nvm. I found an awesome guide to the FW 190 Here! but I still prefer the 109 and still open to suggestions.

The Fugitive · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2007, 09:19:09 PM »

I think your still looking for instant gratification ! Spend a week flying nothing but the G2, then spend a week flying nothing but an A5, then pick one. Add another plane, fly the F4 for a week, then compare it to what you learned in the others.

Flying a plane a couple times a night isn't going to teach you much. You will barely scratch the surface of what some of these planes can do if you try it that way, give it some time. You might find you can really have a good time in some of that German iron !

WMDnow · « **Reply #17 on:** April 24, 2007, 09:36:50 PM »

But all I know is to turn with the opponent, take some lead and shoot when close enough (trying to get on their 6 everytime) but how does a big E fighter like a FW190 fight if it can't turn well at all? That's my intrigue.

BnZ. BnZ. More BnZ. Practice BnZ. Get a BnZ buddy at TA. Just BnZ

I ask that because I lately had a really, really good time with the FW 190A-5 against another E fighter, a P-38L in the training arena. It was the most literal meaning of the word, awesome, until I took it to the MA and fighted a turn fight that killed me quick... you can now imagine my dissapointment.

Wow only 4 years and you know words like that? Another reason, MA people are tough.

Oh, nvm. I found an awesome guide to the FW 190 Here! but I still prefer the 109 and still open to suggestions. [/QUOTE]

Off topic, Eric Hartmann may have had padded kills.

BaldEagl · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2007, 11:44:11 PM »

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Originally posted by EsX_Raptor
I tried all of the FW 190's... but the biggest problem is, as you say, they turn like bricks and worst of all, when turning like that they bleed E fast!

Not exactly true. Just tonight I was on the deck in a FW190A8 turn fighting with a Spit, a NIK and two LA's (although there were a couple of other friendlies there also to draw some attention). I killed the NIK and both LA's.

You can't just yank the stick in a 190. You have to finess it to keep speed. The A8 actually turns much better than people think as long as you keep it fast.

The best way to fight in it is to go in fast, keep turns to a minimum (don't be afraid to adjust course but don't just yank the stick either), extend about 1-1.5K out (if others have them turning, 3-3.5K if you're alone), make a fast wide turn and do it all over again. Also keep WEP on at all times while doing this (you've got about 10 minutes of continuous WEP).

The key is to turn at a rate that doesn't severely bleed E. If you do this you'll surprise a lot of people.

Vudak · « **Reply #19 on:** April 25, 2007, 02:05:39 PM »

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Originally posted by BaldEagl

The key is to turn at a rate that doesn't severely bleed E. If you do this you'll surprise a lot of people.

Actually, if you extend to 3-3.5k in a FW, I don't think you'll be suprising anyone

kidding, kidding

EsX_Raptor · « **Reply #20 on:** April 25, 2007, 08:06:54 PM »

The Fugitive,
I will do that, give it a week or two to a certain, specific plane. Then I'll move on to the next one and notice any changes, both favorable and unfavorable and then take a decision of which plane to use according to my playing style. Thank you very much for supporting that motivation I weakly had in mind before =]

WMDnow,
I dun like BnZ

... I highly prefer turn fighting with good maneuverability involved in the process.
Lol, yea man xD I took English very seriously cuz I really liked it and thus devoured anything related to it =] And it indeed pays off

Bald Eagl,
Im just not an E fighter

but I certainly recognize the supberb power of the Focke Wulf =]

Vudak,
Lol that's underestimation right there xD

I'm currently testing the Bf 109G-2

Emu · « **Reply #21 on:** April 25, 2007, 08:28:49 PM »

If you see me online, give me a shout. I fly 109s the most. The only ones I dont touch are the E model (too slow for MA) and the G14 (I'll take the K4, thank you).

The K4, and I guess the G14, need to be flown completely different than any of the other 109s (imho), in part due to their tater gun and also because they just dont turn as well (in the sense of the classic dog chasing its tail circles fight). Great angles fighter though

Anyway, if you see me around, we can go to the DA or TA and practice a little. O si quieres, te subes a mi avion y vuelas de observador por un rato para que veas como los vuelo yo.

Regards,

Emu

killnu · « **Reply #22 on:** April 25, 2007, 08:33:48 PM »

stick with 109s...plenty of options. I fly K4 mostly...but love G14, G2 and F4. they are awesome machines.

set convergence to 225 and dont fire till you see 200 on screen.

EsX_Raptor · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2007, 08:49:43 PM »

Emu,
Holy crap man!!! =O It will be an honor to fly with you and let you teach me now that I finally found the impossible! Someone that freakin knows how to fly the 109 and speaks Spanish! Of course I will give you a shout, even a shooting if I ever encounter you sometime

Epale de donde eres tu chico? Yo soy Venezolano y he estado volando Aces High ya por casi más de un mes =] Y si, creo que seria interesante el volar como observador para aprender como los vuelas, yo diria que así aprendo yo mas rapido

Ahi te veo!

killnu,
Convergence, Finally!! I have it at 325 and find it kind of difficult to shoot but hang around in there

I'm currently flying the G-2.

EDIT: Do I set both guns to 225? Thanks!

killnu · « **Reply #24 on:** April 25, 2007, 09:03:42 PM »

I set MG to 275 and cannon to 225.

forgot...do not be afraid to work throttle and do more than BnZ in any 109...including K4.

I use flaps in K4 quite often.,

SgtPappy · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2007, 10:05:30 PM »

hmm ... methinks flap management in most 109's (especially the F, G's) are paramount in energy fighting in the Bf 109.

Emu · « **Reply #26 on:** April 25, 2007, 11:00:47 PM »

Good to know you are interested in learning to fly the right way. With only one month under your belt, I guess you can expect to have a few frustrating days and nights to come, but in this game, I believe everyone has had to go through that. I would have to think most of us still have those "off" days.

The most forgiving 109 to fly (other than the E) would be the F4. However, like any 109, flap management is very important.

Anyway, I wont overwhelm you with information. You will quickly find that you will start learning the more you die and fly. With 109s, the one piece of advice I found very helpful when I started was to fly with 50% fuel, and drop tank. Once engaged in a fight, get rid of the drop tank. 109s with a full fuel load can be a bit unstable sometimes. As you get better, you will learn to cope with a higher weight due to fuel.

I set all my guns to 650yds in the 109s. I tried the 225 - 275 range before, and it didnt work for me. Keep in mind that what works for someone, may not work for you when it comes to gunnery and ranging. That aspect of the game is very dependent on the individual.

My game handle is Emu. Look me up. What is your game handle?

Emu

ps: Peruano. No voy a hablar mucho espanyol aqui para que la gente pueda responder con sus comentarios. A que hora sueles volar?

Wash0ut · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2007, 05:03:02 AM »

If you really wanna learn how to fly a plane, then fly it. A lot. When i first decided i wanna learn to fly the p47d11 i thought it was too slow, too low a climbrate and that it had the turn-raduis of a pregnant whale. If i got lucky i could possibly land one kill once in a while, but since i had decided to learn it, I stuck with it.

Today i know better. It's a monster if ya know how to fly it. The only way to get there is by trial and error, no matter what plane you decide to learn.

JB73 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 26, 2007, 10:43:50 PM »

Don't be thrown off the 190's fully.

I fly almost exclusively the 190D-9 and once you get used to it you can get inside a spit 16 for at least 180º with a rudder turn. after 180º or more then you start blowing E. The advantage of the roll rate along with the rudder can be most impressive if done right. A good 190 pilot can stay behind an La7 for quite a long time in a 1-1 fight.

humble · « **Reply #29 on:** April 27, 2007, 01:00:17 AM »

1st comment is simple....every plane in the set is deadly when flown well. While there is no question that the spitfire is a wonderful plane and highly recommended as a ride for "newbie's" I believe its the worst plane to learn on by a wide margin. It combines excellent climb, acceleration and pure turn ability...

what happens is you are left with multiple "aces in the hole"...so you can fly a marginal fight and then either outturn out accelerate or outclimb (or all 3) and "win" a fight you lost...which makes transitioning to a ride which requires greater "management" difficult. The K-4 is monster and so is the D-9....but both require aggresive E flying with a touch of angles (the hardest combo to master IMO)....

I'd actually suggest the C-205 as the best "axis" plane to cut your teeth with. Good ammo load, reasonable endurance (use the EB-6 to maximize cruise) and as long as you bleed your wing tanks 1st its got good handling....109E4 will suprise alot of folks as well, even in the LWA's