Cannon Rounds - too effective?

[Larry]

Originally posted by yanksfan
it's a cannon round, bigger hole, bullets just punch  little holes, if anything the 50 cals in p51's need to have more punch in this game

.50 cals are good. They wernt HE so when they hit all they did was make a hole. When a cannon round hits it detonates on contact. Its like what I said when people were taking about how .50cals would take longer to take out ack. Get a few of your friends in a circle and fire a .50 cal into the ground. All that will happen is you will get dirt on you. Now drop a grenade on the ground and see what happens.

[Viking]

One ... ONE ... 30 mm shell from a MK 108 did this to a Blenheim bomber.


(Note: Ground test by the British, not battle damage.)

[Larry]

Its just a little scrached its still good its still good.

[Larry]

Originally posted by Viking
One ... ONE ... 30 mm shell from a MK 108 did this to a Blenheim bomber.
(Note: Ground test by the British, not battle damage.)

Also note that they put the shell in the plane and detonated it. If it were placed on the plane and detonated it wouldnt have did as much damage.

[yanksfan]

Originally posted by Larry
.50 cals are good. They wernt HE so when they hit all they did was make a hole. When a cannon round hits it detonates on contact. Its like what I said when people were taking about how .50cals would take longer to take out ack. Get a few of your friends in a circle and fire a .50 cal into the ground. All that will happen is you will get dirt on you. Now drop a grenade on the ground and see what happens.

Agreed, just saying the six 50 cal's on a mustang should be able to cut most of these fighters in half with a concentrated burst, As it is modeled at present p51d 50's aren't nearly as effective as they should be. imho.

[Larry]

They are as they should be. If you hit them where all six guns converge then it will rip him up with just a snapshot. When I fly with something with .50 I put them out to 400 and only shoot when they are there.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Larry
Also note that they put the shell in the plane and detonated it. If it were placed on the plane and detonated it wouldnt have did as much damage.

Ever wonder why they put the shell inside the fuselage for the test?

The Germans used delay fuses on their shells. The shells would penetrate the skin and detonate inside the structure.

[Larry]

I didn't know the fuzes were on delay I thought they detonated on contact.

[Wilbus]

Originally posted by Pacifica
Does anyone else think it's way to easy to get kills or be killed? I feel like getting a kill just ain't what it used to be. I've started flying the Mk1's and the old school planes, cuz when you get a kill with .303 brownings, it feels pretty darn good. But it seems kind of lame that anyone can lob cannon rounds and pray one hits...

Would anyone else be in favor of making Cannon rounds less effective in air-to-air combat?

I think it might make AHII less arcade-ish, and put a greater emphasis on skillful maneuvering, patience, and strategy.

Thoughts?

Sounds to me like you've been flying Hizooka equiped planes way too much.

[Krusty]

You mean "been getting shot down by" hizooka armed planes, Wilbus?

Seems more a complaint than an observation. (by pacifica, I mean)

Pacifica, if you don't want to die, stay out of their guns!

Seriously, though, flying the 109s, 190s, c2s, ki's, zeros, yak9u, la5, n1k2, and most planes that are NOT british or american, you really have to land a lot of hits in one spot to bring the enemy down. They can take grazing hits 2-3 times and still remain a combat threat, often. I myself have soaked up ungodly amounts of enemy fire while in bf110s, ki84s, p47s, c205s, and ta152s, at times. It all just depends on where you get hit, and how hard you get hit.

[Viking]

Originally posted by Larry
I didn't know the fuzes were on delay I thought they detonated on contact.

I'm sorry if I was a bit cross with you. Those "rolleyes" were unnecessary on my part.


Some Luftwaffe cannon mayhem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjKyCG4r678

[Sting138]

Try this,  Get a piece of sheet aluminum about 1/16 of an inch thick and shoot it with a 30.06,

Now multiply that diameter untill it gets to the size of your fist (a good 30mm round) and you tell me that it wont do damage to an aircraft.

[Wilbus]

I just didn't wanna say it Krusty

[Viking]

Originally posted by Sting138
Try this,  Get a piece of sheet aluminum about 1/16 of an inch thick and shoot it with a 30.06,

Now multiply that diameter untill it gets to the size of your fist (a good 30mm round) and you tell me that it wont do damage to an aircraft.

Actually that has been done. Testing 30 cal., 50 cal, 20mm AP and 20mm HE:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9101895862044064019&q=20+mm+test&hl=en

[Wilbus]

Originally posted by Sting138
Try this,  Get a piece of sheet aluminum about 1/16 of an inch thick and shoot it with a 30.06,

Now multiply that diameter untill it gets to the size of your fist (a good 30mm round) and you tell me that it wont do damage to an aircraft.

That's a really really bad comparison actually. There is no way you can just compare the sheer diameter of the rounds and shells.

The 30mm are packed with explosives which brings them closer to the dammage of a hand grenade rather then a normal 20mm.