Cannon Rounds - too effective?

[Larry]

BTW Any of you know where I can buy some some dud cannon and MG rounds off the internet.

Heres a list of the ones I would like.

Mg FF
Mg 151/15
Mg 151/20
Mk 108
Mk 103
Mg 131



EDIT: Or mabey ones packed with powder so we can test them on Krustys car:D

[Krusty]

(*moves slowly to the door*)

"I'm going to... the store... to buy... beer and .. stuff..."

(*rushes outside, engine sounds, squealing tires sounds*)

[Larry]

Alittle something for krustys car



Its a bit much for me but just posted incase you guys want it.

[TracerX]

Originally posted by Viking
Actually that has been done. Testing 30 cal., 50 cal, 20mm AP and 20mm HE:

Holy crap Viking.  The 20mm AP rounds (no explosives) did quite a bit more dammage than the .50's which were significantly better than the .303's.  But the last 20MM HE rounds completely shattered the piece of aluminum that had taken 10+ rounds of all types.  10 rounds of AP ammo and the piece of alluminum was still in its original form, just had big holes in it.  After the 20mm HE round, it was shattered into many pieces and deformed beyond recognition.  Amazing how much more destructive the HE round was.

[Kweassa]

I've done it.

 Then let's see the films, man!

[5PointOh]

Originally posted by Spatula
Heres a short clip of a salvaged P-38's (Glacier Girl) 20mm Hispano being fired at a 40 gallon drum. Note the extensive damage. Also note this is steel, not aluminum as aircraft are...

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3316529261715180734

..nuff said.

Now that was sweet!:aok

[Pacifica]

Hey guys thanks for the replies, obviously I was a little off base with the suggestion. I guess I just didn't realize how superior a single cannon round was compared to regular MG round. I just figured the creators gave excessive damage power to cannon when A6m's and Spits could so easily be taken down.
My mistake.

Again, thanks for the responses and links, very cool.

[Krusty]

A6ms were historically very easy to bring down. They had little to no armor on the early versions, and still very little armor on the later versions.

Spitfires, while nimble and lethal, were not especially durable or resilient. US Navy planes were noted for strength and durability, and in this game they take a lot more punishment. Zeros were not, and cannot take punishment. Each plane is modeled to its real counterpart's strengths and weaknesses.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Pacifica
Oh, you're suggesting I don't know how to aim? LOL

I love people on this board...whenever someone suggests something or complains about a part of the game, it's always "their own shortcoming"

I'm just saying, if getting kills - even with cannons was oooooohh so effective, than why was shooting down aircraft in REAL LIFE so difficult.

It's amazing how well Allied fighter pilots, armed with .30 and .50 cals,  outscored Japanese fighters armed with the 'magical' cannons so amazingly.

Those US planes also had up to 8 .50 calibers to play with and that alone packs a powerful punch.

What you are asking is basically to decrease the power of cannons because YOU think they are too powerful.  Well, I hate to burst your bubble but that's the whole point of having cannons, for that extra punch that machine guns just don't provide.  And yes, it is very possible for a 20mm cannon round to remove a parts of your plane.   You should check out Tony Williams' (I think that's his name) website on the various armaments used in WW2.  You'd be surprised.

Also, your notion that since you fly planes that shoot BBs compared to someone that flies a cannon equipped bird somehow makes you better is a joke and sadly, it's on you.  If you're so worried about getting shot down with cannons, maybe you should learn how to stay out of the line of fire.  

ack-ack

[FrodeMk3]

Here's the link to the site that AKAK's refering to one more time, just in case you missed it in my first post:http://www.quarry.nildram.co.uk/index.htm

If you scroll down, you'll find the section on WWII fighter armament effectiveness. There's also a pic gallery of all the different ammo that was used.

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by yanksfan
Agreed, just saying the six 50 cal's on a mustang should be able to cut most of these fighters in half with a concentrated burst, As it is modeled at present p51d 50's aren't nearly as effective as they should be. imho.

They are effective, you're just not hitting at the convergence point.  


ack-ack

[SteveBailey]

Originally posted by yanksfan
Agreed, just saying the six 50 cal's on a mustang should be able to cut most of these fighters in half with a concentrated burst, As it is modeled at present p51d 50's aren't nearly as effective as they should be. imho.

I fly a mustang some.  If I'm w/in 600 yards, a concentrated burst will catatrophically damage my target every time.  It's important to note that you said "concentrated burst" Scattered hits, unless at convergence, often will not give you a killing hit.


Steve

[Pacifica]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack

Also, your notion that since you fly planes that shoot BBs compared to someone that flies a cannon equipped bird somehow makes you better is a joke and sadly, it's on you.  If you're so worried about getting shot down with cannons, maybe you should learn how to stay out of the line of fire.  

ack-ack

I DID NOT say it makes me better, or that I worry about getting shot down. I said it was often more rewarding and fun to fly Mk1's because you actually have to get on a guy's six, and pump a lot of rounds into him -  Not just lob a few cannon rds when he zooms through your sights.
Honestly, I could care less about getting shot down. I always seems to be the guy getting vulched twenty times in a row trying to defend a base - it really doesn't bother me.

[StuB]

I always forget to start the recorder....but I did do this once a couple of weeks ago while flying a BF 109 K-4.  

I slipped in behind a BF 110 and lined up for the shot at about d 300.  It was obvious that the pilot didn't know I was there so I decided to take my time and fire one 30 mm to make sure I had a good sight picture before letting loose with everything.  

I had the pipper on the right wing root area when I gave the trigger a quick tap.  I saw one flash from the hit in the right ring root area and then to my amazement the right wing folded up and he started spinning.  

I was surprised that (1) I actually hit it with the first shot and (2) how devastating that 30 mm round was.

It's pure evil, man!

[SKurj]

Thats why I like to use taters... on the off chance I do get a hit...